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March 10, 2007

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Forgive my ignorance: do many (all?) cultures in southeast Asia keep cats as housepets? Real question being, in bird-flu hotspots does an infected cat live more intimately with humans than an infected chicken (which, if I understand, some families keep their chickens almost like we would keep our cats).

What do you make of those 98 out of 500 cats with H5N1 being (I guess?) alive & kicking?

and, since I don't have a cat to pet while I ponder it, where do the vaccine negotiations with WHO & Indonesia stand? One would note that as political pressure was brought to bear by the experts in the flu community for places like Indonesia to immediately release all their data to CDC & WHO, one of the counterpoints was that that data was the only bargaining chip Indonesia had to ensure they would be able to receive the vaccine those groups would use it for. (Then some cable guy in CT ran for Senate & I lost my H5N1 news feed.) Has the data that was being kept confidential been released, was it done with some guarantee of consideration for the vaccine, and if yes to the first and no to the second then is as much political pressure being brought on those groups to do the right thing now as there was brought on places like Indonesia to release their data in good faith to begin with?

My very limited impression is that cats (and dogs) are semi-wild in communities in SE Asia rather than being pets as we might have. I'm not sure they would be more close to the family than chickens who live under and around the house.

Wasn't much of the research on retroviruses in the early days of AIDS done with feline leukemia? Is there any comparable research avenue here?

Of course cats eat birds!

So do dogs!!

Foxes!!!

Snakes!!!!

Bigger birds!!!!!

And a sick bird oddly flapping around will be targetted by anything looking for an easy meal, even a critter that wouldn't normally be able to catch a bird. Darwinism at work: culling those who can't survive.

More research in order to understand the mutations and what makes which ones lethal is needed, as well as better understanding of all vectors, not just the obvious ones. Meanwhile, we humans will demonize and wantonly kill entire populations out of fear, like the obliteration of cats in the Middle Ages and China's current destruction of dogs. Or displace them onto islands far far away, like the lepers' colonies. Gee, "Indonesian Flu", and they're already on an island?

We can no longer seal off a population, or block a vector. Another solution is needed.

BTW, we humans eat birds, too. So while plans are made to destroy "everything with feathers", and then "everything with fur", perhaps we ought to remember that "everything with hair" is also a category... and killing is not the prescription for living.

the danger of ovewrzealous culling is impoertant. however, doemstic poultry with H5N1 dies anyway (it's very lethal) whereas ducks and cats can be asymptomatic. Some cats die, some do not.

as for exposure, the issue is both that many cats run wild, and are everywhere AND that there mayu be other unknown vectors besides birds. It needs to be examined and not dismissed.

We've said so for a year now.

emptypockets, they don't call them Siamese or Burmese cats for nothing. They are not only pets, they are "family members" just like water buffalo. And then there are pekes and chows. Think about those implications. There are no sure solutions. Do not depend on untested and ineffective solutions like tamiflu. There are some traditional flu cures not developed by chemical medicine purveyors; can't be patented. Grow some ligusticum varieties. The roots work well for flu and pneumonia.

Yeah I never thought about that. I suppose the virus has the potential to mutate after entering a cats system. Interesting to think about.

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