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January 01, 2007


Great post, ~pockets. Instances like this, where the right violates clear moral guidelines in the name of ... what? are a way for moral beings of all stripes to reclaim the political debate.

Thanks -- I think it's an interesting situation where one either has to side against a devout Christian or the police department. My feeling is that exploiting this kind of situation (translated to the left) is how Fox made its millions.

I will save Atrios the time.

Emptypockets: "Mr. President, if you ordered a soldier to torture a prisoner, do you think he should obey?"

George W. Bush: "Yes."

This has been another edition of obvious answers to simple questions.

It's not immoral if the President orders it. Much easier to render unto Caesar that which is his and unto God that which is hers, if you believe God annointed Caesar.

This conflict is why dictatorships either appropriate religion a la Franco's Spain or try to destroy it, a la the Communist regimes. Bush has done the Franco thing in a fashion all his own.

smiley, yes but how I would like to see that on the 8 o'clock news.

Mimikatz, you give me the opportunity to quote from a religious blog that weighed in on this story earlier. From Pro Libertate:

Perez, like any Christian worthy of that designation, will render to Caesar only that to which Caesar is due – which in our system means only the power necessary to protect the lives and property of the innocent. Or, as he put it: "I do believe, if you are a police officer, you have an ordination by God to protect and preserve life." All of this resonates with the actual meaning of the much-misapplied verses in Romans chapter 13 that are often wrested by those preaching unconditional submission to State power.

As many issues as I have with organized religion, I do wish they would see through the transparent veil Bush has draped his administration in.

"What is lawful is clear and what is unlawful is clear, but between them are certain doubtful things ..."

It is an old problem.

"you can't stand by and let this happen."

Clinton can't hide behind James Carvelle forever.

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