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October 28, 2006

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excellent

and note that changing the landscape has been known to change a few representatives' party, let alone change their vote on something as popular with the public as stem cell research.

the House is really tough to call. Given the the trend toward a breakdown in Republican party discipline, I'm not the stem cell vote wouldn't improve considerable even without whatever may happen next week.

from what I've heard, the repuglican party has to defend 21 Senate seats in 2008, so I wouldn't look for much defense of george bush from these 21 Senators in the next two years

It is sad but true, progress takes time

with george bush in the whitehouse right now, the Democrats should control both houses of Congress and the Presidency on January 20, 2009 (or even sooner)

so federally funded stem cell research is coming, sooner or later

if this issue continues to get media play, look for massive repuglican defections in 2007 (in a futile attempt to run from the gop policies)

impeachment, stem cell research, social security, perscription benifits

repuglican congresscritters are gonna get a lot of chances to chose between party and country

by their votes shall you know them

look for lots of faux compassion from the freepi in the future

just don't fall for their bullshit

once we have subpoena power, I expect another 20 or 30 republican indictments in the house. They're all rotten, and once the control mechanisms (money and blackmail) are open to public scrutiny, the whole game is going to change.

Research does not have to be government funded. It is certainly true that academic research has traditionally been funded by government grants. And, as any academic researcher knows, one's university appointment is linked to one's grant-getting ability.

As we all know, that system certainly has its flaws. There is nothing, absolutely nothing stopping Universities from funding their own research in other ways. Frankly, I would love to see an institution or two start doing that with stem cells - institutional funds, private donations, etc. Besides being a good idea for lots of other reasons, it might break the government's stronghold on science, which now, as in the Nixon era, has been a real impediment to scientific progress.

In the main, government regulation of research has been a good thing, insisting of some kind of investigative oversight and relevance, but in this case, with this Administration, on this topic, it's cancer...

Thanks, emptywheel. It's true that these are not at all rare diseases; in my immediate family are two cases of diabetes and one of Parkinson's. Restoring science and research to their proper place, with proper funding and oversight, should be one of the top priorities of a Democratic Congress.

I live in Missouri and am backing Claire 100%. She will most likely carry the only 2 large metropolitan cities, Kansas City and St. Louis, but the rural and Ozark areas have more churches than people per square inch and will most likely vote against both Claire and the stem cell initiative. So many of the 'thumpers' have been misled to believe that if the 'no' votes prevail on November 7 the whole stem cell research program will be illegal in Missouri (not true, it simply won't be contitutionally protected). These people believe that life begins at conception but you can't make them understand that no sperm is involved, therefore, there is no conception. Some days I want to scream when I hear them parroting Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson as well as a few assorted local nutcases.

emptypockets I am for stem cell research, and science, and medicine.

I fear though that on both sides vast overstatements are being made. The arguments/discussion is no longer about reality, but more about very rigid attitudes, and a lot or recriminations.
There is more rancor about this than any other thing I can think of, because both sides are so positive and adamant.

"Life and death," "good and evil" are very polarizing subjects.

mickey, this is an interesting debate:

There is nothing, absolutely nothing stopping Universities from funding their own research in other ways. Frankly, I would love to see an institution or two start doing that with stem cells - institutional funds, private donations, etc.

some universities do draw heavily from private donors, especially here in New York. Nationally, the private Howard Hughes Medical Institute has been a fantastic source of support for the top-tier labs. But, although it's hard to find numbers for total research funding by private groups, my suspicion is that it is a teaspoonful next to the public investment. The NIH budget is about $30 billion per year -- that's equivalent, for example, to the entire amount of assets the Gates foundation had before Buffett put in. He contributed the same amount, about $30 billion. Buffett's amazing philanthropic gift will be distributed at a rate of about $1.5 billion per year, roughly what it would take for the NIH budget just to keep pace with inflation.

Based on those kinds of numbers, I don't think the resources are there in the private philnathropy world to support research the way we do it. I don't know what you are thinking of by "institutional funds," but I'm guessing it's the kinds of things that keep humanities departments running -- university endowments, things like that -- and judging by the way things are going there I'd have to say thanks, but no thanks. Basic research is worth the sizeable public investment we put into it -- if we can get that without politicizing science, so much the better, but I don't think we can do without the public funding tiself.

Good post, emptypockets. California passed a bond issue to fund stem cell research ($3 billion, IIRC) but it has been bogged down in various problems like conflict of interest rules. Still, people are hoping it will produce results.

On the races, as far as I know things look good on the first 15 races you mention. Of the second group, Hart, McMorris, Musgrave, Osborne, Otter, Pombo, Ryun, and Schmidt look the most promising to dump. Some of the previous "no" votes may think twice, but some are diehards. I think packaging is the key.

McKinney lost her primary. I don't know who is replacing her.

freepatriot, that is one benefit of being a progressive -- the times always catch up to your positions, sooner or later. I agree that it is just a matter of time before we get federal stem cell funding back. But we may by then have a President trying to push politics into science in some other area. It will always be something. That's why I think it's important to set a precedent -- preferably a statute -- that prevents the politicization of science funding and reporting, not just for stem cells but across the board, for research today and tomorrow.

Jodi, if you found something in this post that was a "vast overstatement" or that departed from reality, of course I'd be glad to discuss it with you. I don't see it as good vs. evil, I see it as progressive vs. reactionary. There is an internally consistent philosophy that says that technology and science do not increase human happiness, and I can appreciate it and respect it and see the reasoning behind it. But I just don't share it.

Mimikatz, good to hear from you! hope things are well in the southwest. You know, I thought I was blowing it on the McKinney reference but a quick google didn't turn up anything -- of course you're right, though, and looking more deeply I see she lost to Hank Johnson in the primary. I haven't found any reference to his stem cell position, but I'm guessing from the little I know of the district that he's pro-research.

emptypockets,

I spoke more generally than this thread.

I repeat-
"I fear though that on both sides vast overstatements are being made. The arguments/discussion is no longer about reality, but more about very rigid attitudes, and a lot or recriminations.
There is more rancor about this than any other thing I can think of, because both sides are so positive and adamant.

"Life and death," "good and evil" are very polarizing subjects."

I speak of "both sides" That is all the groups involving themselves in these debates. You and I are just tiny little specks on a vast landscape of competing forces.

I am for it. I make my living pursuing forward looking ideas, science, engineering, ... And I am not in it for just the money.

Here's an interesting bit of anecdotal data. I just talked to my dad. He's a semi-retired Southern Baptist preacher in southwestern Missouri. He's fairly middle of the road, politically speaking. My mom, on the other hand, is a pretty solid liberal vote, at least by Missouri standards. I asked him if they were going to be voting for Claire McCaskill. He said, "Absolutely, we're done with that other party, you know, the perverts, crooks, and liars." A laugh accompanied the "you know", and I instantly realized something. I doubt my dad will ever vote for a Republican again.

My dad is certainly not the stereotypical Baptist preacher (at least politically, theologically he's conventional enough to teach Exegesis and Hermeneutics at an SBC school). He is a classic swing voter. Values matter a lot more to him than policy, but it is values in practice, not in speeches. I think this election is the beginning of the erosion of the Republican brand in the heartland. I think there is a lot of room for a populist/progressive appeal by Democrats in middle America.

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