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April 17, 2006


What is curious is the thinking of the 36 percent who want to withdraw "some" troops. If the troops we have there now are not enough to win (however that is defined!), what on earth would make it worthwhile to stay there but with fewer troops?

Moreover, 60 percent still think we "can" win (again, whatever that means), though a third of those think we could but won't.

These numbers reinforce my belief that it's important in the short run to blame our leaving on the Iraqis. And more generally to frame the exit policy as "leaving in disgust" rather than "defeat." Once we are out of there, the Iraqis themselves will fall entirely off the US public radar, and if things turn generally sour in the Middle East - as would be the least of surprises - the argument should not be "who lost Iraq" but "who got us mixed up with those people in the first place?"

Cynical, but necessary.

-- Rick

Rick, an alternative explanation is that Americans are defeat averse, but know there's no easy answer. hence, withdraw some but not all, and don't admit we can't win.

As I turned the page on yet another story about Barry Bonds and steroids, I thought: this must be how many of those who voted for Bush feel--let's just don't talk about it any more.

For the Dems, this means focusing on the future not the past. How do we prevent this kind of gross miscalculation form happening again? One, get rid of the people who dod it. But two, let's insist on an honest debate about Iran this time--no phoney-baloney intel and talking ourselves into a corner from which we have to attack to "be tough." And see Arkin this morning. Be sure to read the comments too.

I was surprised today to see that the Rasmussen poll has Bush approval at 39%. Rasmussen is usually at least five points higher than any other poll. I can't remember if Rasmussen has had Bush as low as 39% before.

Americans want out of Iraq. I fear Bush may get them out same way he got them out of Afghanistan, by charging off to another war, this time with Iran, perhaps in October. The rest of the world gets to go around and clean up after him.


The President's Job Approval is at 39% for the second straight day. This is the lowest level ever recorded by Rasmussen Reports.

It might be time to start the war crimes proceedings against Bush and his team of "advisors". They started an illegal war by telling lies, they are perpetuating a war by telling lies and they are justifying it by telling lies, which most narrow minded Americans seem to be swallowing hook, line and sinker. All in the name of "peace". What a load of crap. Saddam Hussien was no more a threat to American security than my arse is pineapple. Granted he wasn't very nice to his people but he was no threat to the states, unless you take the threat of oil supply into account. Bush was just pissed off that he didn't get bin laden in Afganistan so he turned on then next available thorn in his side. Team America strikes again.

The worst thing is that America doesn't learn from it's mistakes. In 200 years the only war they have actually won was amongst themselves. Good record guys. It might be time for America to realise that they are not the global police that they think they are. No one has asked them to be and no one wants them to be. The world would be a much safer place if they would just keep their nose out of other peoples business and sort their own back yard out.

I agree with you, brian w, but don't they go around saying they won the second world war?

The previous involvement of Britain, Canada, and many other allies was really nothing to mention.

You give too much credit to the public being way smarter than the politicians. If they were we wouldn't be in this mess. I'm sorry but as far as I can tell, the public is not interested in any serious themes, but instead prefer news concerning missing white women to the crisis approaching from all angles.

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