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August 16, 2005

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After reading Kinzer's book, I've had a hard time believing any of the Rainbow Revolutions of the last few years are legit. Then again, I wonder if any of the revolutions we see are.

And on a lighter note, Kermit Roosevelt III (I'm guessing on that, but I think he's this Kermit's grandson) just published his first book, a legal thriller. From his Diane Rehm interview, it sounds like he wants to be a SCOTUS judge one day.

It is interesting and funny to think of how much of our current troubles are related to shadows and ghosts from our past. We don't think history is important until someone comes up to us and stabs the shiv in because we tortured his brother. The good people in the middle east don't hate us because of our freedoms, they hate us because we go to their countries and kill their children. Reading this excellent summary of our "little" coup in Iran, I am struck by our casual, cruel disregard for the lives of other people. I know that is a little naive, but maybe we shouldn't kill people. Maybe we shouldn't torture people. Maybe we should match our fine words with fine actions.

I read Kinzer's Bitter Fruit right after it came out while I was in Guatemala for the fourth time in late 1983. He's got a few more to write before he's done, but it'll be hard to top All the Shah's Men for dramatic clout.

but it'll be hard to top All the Shah's Men for dramatic clout.

Kermit is hard to top for character. I'd say they don't make spies like that anymore. But maybe the problem is we're just outing all the elegant spies these days.

Another excellent MB post, or should I say "another standard MB post," since excellent is the only level you work at. :-)

TC

The fallout continues. My speculation is that the invasion of Iraq, desired by Cheney and his protege in foreign affairs, Bush, was intended in large part to provide a staging ground for U.S. pressure on Iran.

The 9/11 attack was just an opportunity for Bush to conduct the invasion.

I suspect that the Iranians see it that way, also. That is why we got the recent reports of chemicals for weapons being smuggled from Iran to the Iraqi insurgents. Remember, the Sunnis who are the majority of the insurgents are the same people who started the extremely nasty Iraq-Iran war and fought it for eight years. Those chemicals (if the reports in the news are true, of course)are not a gift between friends.

As I say, this is speculation. However, it is more reasonable than any explanation for the Bush Voluntary Iraq War given by the Bush administration since the WMD excuse collapsed.

Great as always, MB. A cautionary tale for those young'uns who are lionizing the CIA these days and hoping for it as some sort of counterweight to BushCo. And a reminder that, bad as we think things are now, they really are a bit more restrained and transparent, or we are all just a lot more cynical than our parents were in the '50s and '60s.

And also a reminder that our country never seems to learn to see foreigners as separate peoples with their own aspirations, but always as pawns in our power game of the moment. Which is why we are constantly blindsided by blowbacks that just land us in a new major conflict.

Thanks for the fine post, MB! Pardon the heavy syrup, but y'all at this site do an awesome job.

or we are all just a lot more cynical than our parents were in the '50s and '60s

I think our parents were naive. I guess that's another way to say the same thing, except to say that I don't necessarily feel cynical now - that is, not determinatively so. (Depressed and disgusted and alarmed, yes).

our country never seems to learn to see foreigners as separate peoples with their own aspirations, but always as pawns in our power game of the moment. Which is why we are constantly blindsided by blowbacks that just land us in a new major conflict.

I think the way our country has dealt with the rest of the world has been arbitrary above all, which is a shame (so far), considering what we might have done to distinguish ourselves more from the 'old world'. So far, proto-modern humans' dull political minds have been able to fasten onto only one or two exegencies (cold war; oil) and organize everything around them. It's arbitrary; corruption writ large. People fear the US the way one fears an elephant - you don't necessarily ascribe malice to the elephant, but you know he could either give you a nice ride or stomp you into pulp, or both in succession.

The attitude you describe strikes me as getting down to a very basic element of macho - the idea that it's politically practical, in the end, to assusme you can ever really make anybody do anything. It's simplistic to say we need, for instance, a female president so as to correct this type of thinking, because there are macho women, especially in politics. But we definitely need some GROWN UPS.

Maybe Iraq will be a real lesson. Ironically but predictably, the GW Bush dream of empire coincides with the - finally undeniable - financial decline of the US relative to it's cold war self. So maybe it will be harder to 'optimistically' and blithely forget about the past and just 'rakishly' careen forward this time. Let's hope that this crisis will be the one which vaults us out of our much too long adolecence into some sort of adulthood.

Great piece, MB.

Sorry I'm late to the table.

That Mark J. Gasiorowski quote was worth the price of admission.

Great piece, indeed, but a few more dots to connect.

Without the Iranian revolution, would the Iran-Iraq War have happened? Would Saddam Hussein have invaded Iran without knowing that the US would, at worst, wring their hands and think "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

Without the hostage crisis, would the US government have sided with Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, or would it have gone immediately to the UN Security Council? (Good old Donald Rumsfeld, shaking hands with Saddam....)

Without the precedent of the Iran-Iraq War and US support of Iraq's invading its neighbor, would Saddam Hussein have invaded Kuwait?

Without the invasion of Kuwait, would there have been any reason for US troops in Saudi Arabia?

Without US troops in Saudi Arabia, would Osama bin Laden have had as easy a time recruiting people, including 15 Saudis, for an anti-US terrorist attack?

every iranian child should be educated about this and they should learn to analyze and think before they follow any1's advice to go to the streets and chant

I wonder how Iran would be today if the despicable TPAJAX would have failed

have u seen this documentary

it is under google videos

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947

watching this video led me to your site

I wish Ladan Boroumand would read this and no longer sit with Michael A. Ledeen (despicable guy) claiming to denfend democracy. It is sooo sad to see that some of are willing to sell out.

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