by emptywheel
Earlier this week at DKos, Todd Johnston noted a weird lie in Ari Fleischer's last press briefing. Condi makes a comment about the drafts of the SOTU during the July 11 press gaggle,
Q If I could just follow up. On that sentence, you said that the CIA changed the -- that things were done to accommodate the CIA. What was done?
DR. RICE: Some specifics about amount and place were taken out.
Q -- taken out then?
DR. RICE: Some specifics about amount and place were taken out.
Q Was "place" Niger?
Q You won't say what place --
DR. RICE: No, there are several -- there are several African countries noted. And if you say -- if you notice, it says "Africa," it doesn't say "Niger."
MR. FLEISCHER: Yes. To be clear, the sentence in the State of the Union, just off the top of my head, stated, according to British reports, Iraq is seeking to acquire uranium from African nations or Africa. That's the sentence that was stated.
[emphasis mine]
But on July 14, when Ari is asked about this comment, he tells a doozy of a lie.
Q Ari, to follow-up on his question, the apple was a reference in a draft to the October speech to a specific quantity of uranium from Niger. To take another apple, the draft of the State of the Union speech -- according to Dr. Rice's briefing on the plane on Friday -- included references to quantity and place, and we were told that that was Niger, they were taken out.
MR. FLEISCHER: She was referring to Cincinnati in that. I talked to her afterwards, and she was referring to Cincinnati when she said that.
Q When she said that on the plane?
MR. FLEISCHER: Yes.
Q Wow, that wasn't clear at all.
MR. FLEISCHER: Cincinnati. Because all the Presidential, the State of the Union always referred to -- always -- referred to seeking uranium from Africa. It did not have the same Cincinnati line.
[emphasis mine]
But as Todd makes clear, at the July 11 gaggle Condi is clearly talking about the SOTU.
What followed were roughly 40 questions and answers about a line in a speech and the decision to include it. Eight of those questions contained the phrase "state of the union," as did 10 of Rice's answers.
Ari, it seems, is at pains to pretend that Condi didn't mention mention Niger and amounts of uranium in early drafts of the SOTU.
There's a similar weird passage in the SSCI Report. In the discussion covering the SOTU, the report notes that the Alan Foley, Director of WINPAC and Robert Joseph, NSC Special Assistant, had a discussion about how they could refer to the uranium claims without compromising sources and methods. They had to find a way to do so without referring to SISMI reports. So they referred to the declassified British White Paper instead.
But Joseph and the Foley don't remember this exchange the same way.
The WINPAC Director and the NSC Special Assistant disagreed, however, about the content of their conversation in some important respects. First, when the WINPAC Director first spoke to Committee staff and testified at a Committee hearing, he said that he had told the NSC Special Assistant to remove the words "Niger" and "500 tons" from the speech because of concerns about sources and methods. The NSC Special Assistant told Committee staff that there never was a discussion about removing "Niger" and "500 tons" from the State of the Union and said that the drafts of the speech show that neither "Niger" nor "500 tons" were ever in any of the drafts at all.
A few days after his testimony before the Committee, the WINPAC Director found the draft text of the State of the Union in WINPAC's files and noticed that it did not say "500 tons of uranium from Niger." In a follow up interview with Committee staff, he said that he still recalls the conversation the way he described it to the Committee originally, however, he believes that he may have confused the two conversations because the documentation he found does not support his version of events. The draft text of the State of the Union he found said, "we know that he [Saddam Hussein] has recently sought to buy uranium in Africa." The White House also told the Committee that the text they sent to the CIA in January said, "we also know that he has recently sought to buy uranium in Africa." (65, emphasis mine)
Gosh. That's funny. Both Condi and Foley recall there being a draft of the SOTU that mentions a specific country and amounts. After Condi makes such a statement, Ari tells a crazy lie to deny she said it. And after Foley says it, it seems he can't find a copy of the SOTU with the reference in it. Probably, then, the Foley was wrong then.
But then, the SSCI members apparently weren't looking at all the drafts of the SOTU themselves. Rather, they were relying on Robert Joseph to tell them what all the drafts said.
Call me crazy. But it seems like we've got two witnesses attesting that early versions of the SOTU did refer to Niger and list amounts. We know one draft of the SOTU--the one Foley finds in the files--doesn't mention Niger, certainly. But it sounds like this draft doesn't come from Foley's personal files--it comes from WINPAC files generally. If we believe Robert Joseph. none of the early versions contains such a reference, either. But we're just going to have to take Joseph's word for this. We don't--SSCI doesn't--get to see those early drafts ourselves, to verify the account.
Is it possible the WH decided, between July 11 and July 14, to lie about the content of those early SOTU drafts?
Updated with Foley's name.
Update
Here's a contemporaraneous WaPo account of this--on A1 no less (although the good stuff is in the last paragraphs):
In Rice's July 11 briefing, on Air Force One between South Africa and Uganda, she said the CIA and the White House had "some discussion" on the Africa uranium sentence in Bush's State of the Union address. "Some specifics about amount and place were taken out," she said. Asked about how the language was changed, she replied: "I'm going to be very clear, all right? The president's speech -- that sentence was changed, right? And with the change in that sentence, the speech was cleared. Now, again, if the agency had wanted that sentence out, it would have gone. And the agency did not say that they wanted that speech out -- that sentence out of the speech. They cleared the speech. Now, the State of the Union is a big speech, a lot of things happen. I'm really not blaming anybody for what happened."
Three days later, then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said Rice told him she was not referring to the State of the Union address, as she had indicated, but to Bush's October speech. That explanation, however, had a flaw: The sentence was removed from the October speech, not cleared.
In addition, testimony by a CIA official before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence two days after Fleischer's clarification was consistent with the first account Rice had given. The CIA official, Alan Foley, said he told a member of Rice's staff, Robert Joseph, that the CIA objected to mentioning a specific African country -- Niger -- and a specific amount of uranium in Bush's State of the Union address. Foley testified that he told Joseph of the CIA's problems with the British report and that Joseph proposed changing the claim to refer generally to uranium in Africa.
White House communications director Dan Bartlett last Monday called that a "conspiracy theory" and said Joseph did not recall being told of any concerns.
Of note? As Milbank and Allen point out, Fleischer's excuse is not even logical. Also, Foley testified just two days after Condi's statements during the press gaggle.
I hope Ari meant it seriously when he said "I'm cooperating with the investigators," because if he is, than Fitzgerald knows all about this.
Posted by: emptywheel | July 30, 2005 at 11:16
What a tangled web we weave---the problem with lying is that at some point it just becomes too hard to remember what you said, and you can't rely on memories of the actual event.
There are a lot of details here, but let's make it crystal clear what all this disassembling is covering up: They lied about Saddam reconstituting his nuclear program. The "mushroom cloud" was a lie. If they only found out at the time of the Cincinnati speech that the Niger story was bogus, they still knew three months before the State of the Union and kept telling the lie.
But they probably knew months before that, after Wilson's and Ambassador Kirkpatrick's and General Fulford's reports on their investigations in Niger. Hell, they probably knew in Spetember, 2001 when they began cooking up the whole sorry mess.
Bush lied. Almost 2000 US troops, and thousands upon thousands of Iraqis have died. The country is in chaos, about to devolve to the Shi'ites, Iran's allies. Our military is hollowed out and no one wants to join up. Our budget is busted for the next decade, between the war and the tax cuts and the giveaways. And Osama is free and laughing somewhere as we slowly bleed.
So, yes, lets explore the minutiae. I'm as hooked as the next person. But let's not forget the big picture, and lets keep saying it loud and clear:
The plans were laid in early 2002. The intelligence was fixed around the plans. Saddam never had a nuclear program and he was no threat to us. They lied, they lied, they lied.
And America as we knew it died.
Posted by: Mimikatz | July 30, 2005 at 11:52
If we put anything under the forensic microscope, it should be the Administration's rapid-fire tangle of excuses for the Sixteen Words.
This will shed light not only on the Iraq War backstory, but on dereliction of duty by a somnolent press, Intelligence Community and Congress.
Dig here, and sift finely.
Posted by: RonK, Seattle | July 30, 2005 at 12:33
I agree with you Mimikatz--we need to keep reminding ourselves what this covered up.
But I'm particularly interested in pointing to the places where there are probably documents that provde BushCo lied repeatedly. Yeah, they're probably holding back these documents from Fitzgerald, just like they seem to have done on the SSCI. But let's catalog them, including what they say, and we'll be able to reconstruct a lot more than we currently can.
Posted by: emptywheel | July 30, 2005 at 12:49
That was not meant as a criticism. This story operates on two levels--and there has to be a fairly simple narrative to drive it for the larger audience. That larger frame is why the details are important, especially the 16 words. Wilson's great sin was to show that they knew the 16 words--and the whole Niger claim--was bogus before the war and before the SOTU, well before. The details make the case, and the overall case is why the details matter.
Posted by: Mimikatz | July 30, 2005 at 12:59
Just keep reminding me. I'm seeing lots and lots of trees, and it helps to be reminded that one is standing in the middle of a vast and gloomy forest.
Posted by: emptywheel | July 30, 2005 at 13:17
Forgive me if this theory has previously been dispensed with, but could Rice have been a/the source for Novak?
Posted by: DHinMI | July 30, 2005 at 14:51
Rice could have been. Although presumably they'd have a good idea of it since she was in Africa, Novak wasn't, at least not July 7 when he SAID he started looking into this.
Condi could more likely be Pincus' source. Because Fitzgerald clearly knew about that one--he knew Pincus' source before Pincus testified. But that would mean Condi was cooperating with Fitz, something I doubt the loyal SOS would do.
Posted by: emptywheel | July 30, 2005 at 15:55
DHinMI, some discussion of Rice as source in this thread Thursday, following a commenter's posting of this link.
emptywheel, could you draw up some kind of ballgame scorecard for those us trying to keep track at home? Wasn't there some kind of scoresheet that used to come inside the boardgame Clue? "It was Karl Rove on Air Force One with the memos."
Posted by: emptypockets | July 30, 2005 at 16:00
emptywheel,
Any thoughts on those strange three paragraphs about Miller dropped into the middle of Jehl's NYT article the other day about Miller?
For all the world, the in-house questions Jehl reports asking his superiors --In e-mail messages this week, Bill Keller, the executive editor of The New York Times, and George Freeman, an assistant general counsel of the newspaper, declined to address written questions about whether Ms. Miller was assigned to report about Mr. Wilson's trip, whether she tried to write a story about it, or whether she ever told editors or colleagues at the newspaper that she had obtained information about the role played by Ms. Wilson. -- make it sound like he was following up on the theory you floated on the 24th, among other things. In any case, I wonder what prompted just those questions.
Posted by: Jeff | July 30, 2005 at 16:54
There are a lot of details here, but let's make it crystal clear what all this disassembling is covering up
Mimikatz, I'm on that beat, but I'm trying to give it a wider scope than just lying our way into war. Every specific incident that emptywheel uncovers that illustrates the lengths to which this "administration" went to accomplish its ends gives me more reason to make the leap right past "they lied" and look instead toward the question of "what distinguishes a bungled but well-intentioned administration from an intentionally anti-constitutional one?"
Posted by: Kagro X | July 30, 2005 at 17:18
Jeff,
Someone named Auriga put a comment in that thread about those paragraphs. She (he?) made some pretty insightful points.
As I said there, I don't think this is an attempted exoneration of Miller or a response to (exclusively) Arianna's piece.
Now that you ask, though, Jehl might be telegraphing the timing. By explaining what Judy was supposed to be writing, he points out the timing. Miller didn't write much in June and July:
FOREIGN DESK | June 7, 2003, Saturday $
Some Analysts Of Iraq Trailers Reject Germ Use
By JUDITH MILLER and WILLIAM J. BROAD (NYT) 1498 words
I still remember this article. It comes as close as any article Judy wrote in admitting error. And I recall the silence afterwards, too. I thought maybe they had finally shut her up.
FOREIGN DESK | July 19, 2003, Saturday $
AFTER THE WAR: INTELLIGENCE; British Arms Expert at Center of Dispute on Iraq Data Is Found Dead, His Wife Says
By WARREN HOGE with JUDITH MILLER (NYT) 1520 words
Article one of two about Kelly. Judy's probably involved because she can write a profile on him without even thinking about it.
NATIONAL DESK | July 2, 2003, Wednesday $
AFTER THE WAR: BIOLOGICAL WARFARE; Subject of Anthrax Inquiry Tied to Anti-Germ Training
This article was reported and written by William J. Broad, David Johnston and Judith Miller. (NYT) 1830 words
Steven Hatfield. Recall that he designed some mobile trailers, like we thought Saddam would use. One more interesting, probably tangential thing about this is that the in October, the guy who took over Hatfield's case, Washington FBI bureau head Michael Mason, took himself off the list of people who could see Plame evidence.
FOREIGN DESK | July 20, 2003, Sunday $
AFTER THE WAR: UNCONVENTIONAL ARMS; A Chronicle of Confusion in the U.S. Hunt for Hussein's Chemical and Germ Weapons
By JUDITH MILLER (NYT) 1961 words
I think this is a result of some of the absolutely BS activities Judy was involved in. But I need to check it again.
FOREIGN DESK | July 21, 2003, Monday $
AFTER THE WAR: INTELLIGENCE; Scientist Was the 'Bane of Proliferators'
By JUDITH MILLER (NYT) 848 words
Another profile on Kelly.
FOREIGN DESK | July 23, 2003, Wednesday $
AFTER THE WAR: THE QUARRY; For Brutality, Hussein's Sons Exceeded Even Their Father
By JUDITH MILLER (NYT) 931 words
NATIONAL DESK | July 23, 2003, Wednesday $
AFTER THE WAR: INTELLIGENCE; National Security Aide Says He's to Blame for Speech Error
By DAVID E. SANGER with JUDITH MILLER (NYT) 763 words
Joseph falls on his sword.
Only one article in June, when I speculate Judy's getting leaks from Bolton on this. The other remarkable thing, of course, are the two articles on David Kelly. Recall that Miller hid her relationship with Kelly when writing those articles, even though an email to her was one of his last communications.
There's also an interesting typo--at least I think it's a typo--in Jehl's article.
Not June. July. Right?
Posted by: emptywheel | July 30, 2005 at 17:41
'pockets:
I'm working on something like that. But it's taking a long time. I actually have to do more than just rip apart someone's front-page leak-happy article!
Posted by: emptywheel | July 30, 2005 at 17:42
It would be useful to set a timeline for where Judith Miller was in the late Winter - Early Spring of 2003.
I don't have exact dates, but know that she spent most of the actual invasion period in Kuwait, and then entered Iraq with the military team with which she was inbeded that had the mission of finding WMD -- and she spent about 3 weeks in the field with the unit. Since Baghdad was occupied in the second week of April, that might take her up into May with the WMD search unit.
Apparently Miller's specific embed was personally signed off on by Rumsfeld himself. I don't think he personally organized reporters assignments for any other reporters.
There is considerable controversy regarding Miller's behavior while with the inspection unit. (google news using Judith Miller, and the article ought to still be available).
What it looks like to me is that the top Brass were using Miller to confirm her own stories from the build up to the war regarding WMD. I notice that efforts were made to keep other reporters away from Judy's turf, and it was treated as her exclusive story. Again, it might be interesting to see what others managed to cover and report. Knight Ritter did apparently get one story.
Of course the real story in this period should have been that we did not have nearly enough troops to properly protect all sorts of sites where military ordinance of all sorts was discovered. Bush was refusing to let the UN inspectors return and secure the materials they had put under seal and there was no plan in place to assemble found materials and make them either safe or blow them up.
But I think the Miller story in early 2003 was about an exclusive mission to validate her earlier reporting based on INC sources. But she didn't produce the proof from Iraq. Anyhow, I wonder if the Kristoff column in mid-May backgrounded by Wilson might have been the first "shot across her bow" when she returned to the Times empty handed.
Posted by: Sara | July 30, 2005 at 20:16
emptywheel,
Thanks -- but where is the thread you're talking about with comments from Auriga? I can find it neither here nor at kos. Also, the Times did mistakenly put in June rather than July, and noted its error in yesterday's times. I was surprised by that at the time, especially since it went on to talk immediately and correctly about July. I wonder whether jehl got his wires crossed looking at the very stuff that Time is reporting on today -- the bustle of activity in the early part of June prompted by Pincus working on his article, which appeared on the 12th of June.
Posted by: Jeff | July 31, 2005 at 15:25
Sorry, Jeff, just two doors down.
Glad to see NYT corrected themselves. Did they also say, "goodness gracious, why were we so naive as to believe Novak's claim that his first source was "not a partisan gunslinger"?
Hmm. Guess not.
Posted by: emptywheel | July 31, 2005 at 17:37