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May 28, 2005

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Thanks to praktike for the link.

The original speculation I saw on this had McConnell taking a turn at the helm, and Lott taking over as Whip.

Just as well, for them. McConnell's not that good at counting votes, apparently. Or at least, not that good at marshalling them, even if counted correctly.

Either that, Kagro, or McConnell and Lott are in cahoots with McCain to overthrow Frist. Lott just couldn't resist bragging about it, though ...

OK,that shows Republican principles regarding racism at work. If you're a racist, you have to step down from the number one position for a couple years, but then after you've served your time on parole, you can come back as number 2.

Yeah, party of Lincoln, yada yada yada...

For all the doom and gloom about the Dems, it's Frist that got rolled. The WH was not only mad at him for screwing up, it was mad at him for not pretending he won even if he lost.

Then came Bolton... screwed up again.

Now comes stem cells... and Frist won't be able to stop Bush from an embarrassing veto.

Too bad, huh?

Is it possible that a number of Senators have made it clear to Fristie that he can't obey the White House, particulalry on Bolton? (The Gang of 14 would offer an easy forum to do this.) Because if it is (and I could see why GOP Senators would want to start asserting their co-equalness), I could imagine Frist freezing, not knowing what to do. I could either see the older and "wiser" (in the ways of the Senate at least) men around either offering to help him explicitly or recognizing a deer in the headlights when they saw it and catering to Frist's obviously untenable position.

That is, if you had a "solution" for Frist that would offer a way out of the traps he had set for himself, I could see Frist being relatively maleable. You provide him a way to save face, and he's going to listen fairly readily to your parliamentary suggestions because, frankly, he doesn't have any better solutions himself.

What would this look like? For example, is McCain's call on the WH to release the requested Bolton information part of such a "solution"?

is McCain's call on the WH to release the requested Bolton information part of such a "solution"?

Maybe, but one guaranteed to make both Frist and the White House look bad, because the WH will look intransigent when they refuse to release this information, and Frist will look impotent when he's unable to force their hand.

Probably a good situation for McCain, but really bad for Bush and Frist.

I'm going to pop some popcorn and rest my feet on the ottoman while I watch this game play out.

Has Frist set up an exploratory committee for '08 yet? Because Rove still controls most of the fundraising networks in the GOP, and he can make or break Frist. McCain has his own, separate base of power, so he can afford to tell the WH to piss off. Frist, like emptywheel says, is screwed.

But if you're Frist and you've been told by a group of moderates your majority leadership depends on preventing the Bolton nomination from actually coming up for a vote, would you trade the bad pub in order to retain the position you believe is critical to your presidential bid?

Oh. And pass the popcorn, please.

The mere fact that this article surfaces reinforces the theme of "Senate GOP in disarray," a big positive even if nothing more comes of it.

In fact, Senate Republicans are in something of a box, for just that reason. Any leadership reshuffle will highlight the disarray theme, and the long knives will be out.

-- Rick Robinson

Yeah, you guys are right, Frist is screwed. I suspect he knows it too.

But then again, a doctor who's a US senator and thinks he can become President does have a pretty big god complex, so who knows.

But we know he's screwed, McCain knows it, Hagel knows it, Lott knows it, and Rove knows it.

So, does keeping Frist as Senate Leader play to any of the Repubs' advantage in the 2008 jockeying?

"But if you're Frist and you've been told by a group of moderates your majority leadership depends on preventing the Bolton nomination from actually coming up for a vote, would you trade the bad pub in order to retain the position you believe is critical to your presidential bid?"

If I'm Frist ... you know what I would do? I would quit very publicly RIGHT NOW and turn myself into a political martyr for the religious right, and then start to assert control over them so that I become my own man. But I don't think he'll do that.

BTW, I saw your comments at TWN about a possible Reid-Frist collusion, but I'm not sure I buy that. I think Frist just sucks at counting, and Reid may have suckered him.

I think Reid and some members of his own caucus suckered him. Whether it was two independent sucker-punches or a coordinated effort, I don't know. But I agree with you that Frist is incompetent.

The one thing we haven't talked about much here is BRAC. Which R's aside from Thune, Collins, and Liberman (R-CT) are in the "desperately hope to save my base" camp?

I hope that Lott's statement is the first sign that Republican senators will pubicly jockey for control of Republican caucus in the senate. McCain, Lott and McConnell..let them work out their differences in a long very public fight.

OK, so Domenici is another one on the BRAC list, and he's also a committee chair. He was probably sympathetic to the Gang of 14 (remember how he was mentioned specifically by Ornstein as one of the potential good guys?) but didn't want to speak out. Committee chairs are natural opposers of WH and majority leader power. Anyone know what he's up to (aside from voting for cloture on Thursday)?

Trent Lott:

The Pentagon has decided to shut down Pascagoula Naval Station and shrink Keesler Air Force Base by about 400 jobs, part of an overall hit of more than 1,500 jobs on the coast, according to a list of recommended base closures released Friday morning.

Closing Pascagoula would cost 963 military and civilian jobs, Pentagon documents show. In addition, the Navy's Human Resources Support Center Southeast, located at the Stennis Space Center, would relocate to Pennsylvania, a loss of 148 civilian and contractor jobs.

Sen. Trent Lott said the process "represents a cop-out by the Congress of its duties. I continue to dislike the process and the fact that any Mississippi facilities are on today's closure list."

Aha! good find on Lott. Do you think the Dems were thinking about BRAC coming down the pike, or did they just get lucky?

praktike:

If I'm Frist ... you know what I would do? I would quit very publicly RIGHT NOW and turn myself into a political martyr for the religious right, and then start to assert control over them so that I become my own man. But I don't think he'll do that.

Good one. That would be about his only successful move. Are you sure you weren't a fundamentalist demagogue in a past life?

I think DH summarizes my out-of-arse speculation well--that Frist got taken by Reid AND some members of his own caucus. We just get to try to figure out who participating in the Takings so we can try to exploit it. Although I assume Reid is doing a good job of that himself.

I suspect KEEPING Frist benefits McCain the most (it WOULD have benefitted Hagel the most if he had gotten his head out of his arse on the Gang of 14 and Bolton votes, but, well, he lost his chance). Which is why I'm wondering whether McCain's involvement in the Bolton nomination isn't an effort to throw him what looks like a life preserver (make it easier for teh Senate as a whole to punt on Bolton, since they're never going to get the intercepts), but is actually an anvil.

And I'll repeat a question I've been repeating a lot. What kind of dynamic IS there between McCain and his former Campaign Co-Chair Hagel now? How and when are they going to duke it out for the paleo/sane Republican slot in 2008?

Now can I get the popcorn again, please?

praktike

And to think two weeks ago we were all worried that the impending BRAC announcement was going to be the critical factor that convinced Collins and Snowe and Holy Joe to vote FOR Bolton. Hasn't quite worked out that way, has it?

The scuttlebut was that Lott's base was closing because the Navy was sick of him interfering with their ship-building plans (which didn't incude MS, but Lott always wanted another pork project the Navy didn't). Folks in CT thought MS would close and Joe's kiss and Simmon's boyish good looks (not) would keep Groton open.

Snowe and Collins know that they can dangle Portsmouth, but it's closing regardless.

I don't know if the Dems got lucky, but it's getting more and more likely that Repubs' states will be hurt by base closings, because other than a couple naval bases on the Northern coasts and the big naval, Marine and USAF bases in California, the preponderance of military facilities are in states now quite heavily Republican.

But I suspect that on this stuff we just got lucky, although I am reminded that UCLA coach John Wooden described luck as the confluence of preparation and opportunity.

RE: Lott on shipbuilding--his father worked in the shipyards, and he's long been a darling of the Maritime Trades unions for his pork-dealing on naval building. So Dem's theory makes a lot of sense.

Frist is incompetent. And that's why they put him there. So that there would never be an independent Senate, capable of flexing its own muscles and asserting itself against the power of the presidency.

He probably didn't have to get suckered to have missed on the vote count. He probably just blew it straight up. Has he ever really had to count votes ever in his "career?"

Up to this point, Frist has been able to perform the job of Majority Leader because it was simply a matter of repeating talking points, and being a reliable vote for the White House. Whipping votes was itself simply a matter of saying 9-11/the President needs you/time of war/moral values/terrorists have already won and figuring nobody had the balls to disobey.

This week may be the first time Frist has ever realized that his members each won 55 separate elections to get there, and that they're not repsonsible for saving his bacon, or Bush's.

Surpise. It's amateur hour. Again.

So should the Dems offer the ladies from Maine a stem cell research center (to make up for losing Portsmouth) if they agree to change parties?

I like your style, Mimikatz.

Oh my, is that a good one.

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