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November 27, 2007

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Now that's a blog entry I don't want to miss. When's that next conference??

She walks in wearing leather, the gunslinger who carries a lap top instead of a gun, the fastest fingers in the east. Go get em, Marci!!

Marcy, I hate to say this but you made a mistake...

It should be "one of the FORMER leading news outlets in this country..."

As a moderate liberal and political reporter, Joe Klein is charged with reporting on the political spin of an issue and not the substance. He can make two phone calls, write-up his notes, file and arrive at the cocktail party in time to sidle up with the kewl kids. This charge also relieves him of responsibility for reading and understanding the text and reconciling the text of as many as two different bills. Joe's special insight is that he implicitly understands "what the American People think and what they want" which puts him in a pretty good position to compare that with the spin from the Democrats and the spin from Republicans in Congress.

We need a better name for faux journalists. "Stenographers" is the current brand, but it may be too recondite for the average reader to understand. How about "psuedo-journalist" for people like Tim Russert who, IIRC, does not claim to be one, but seems to play one on TV? Or how about "journalight" for people who were trained in journalism, but seem to have forgotten everything they learned? Or maybe "journaleast"? Or, on the side of truth in advertising, "infotainest"?

We need to consistently brand these folks for what they are.

Bob in HI

Freepatriot's: This charge also relieves him of responsibility for reading and understanding the text and reconciling the text of as many as two different bills. BINGO!!! Reading and understanding? Too much work.

Bob in HI, my vote's for 'infotainest'. And evidently Klein is one of the infotainest guys evah.

What does it say that Time, one of the leading news outlets in this country, refuses to try to determine which side is correct in this debate?

What does it say that Time refuses to acknowledge that Klein himself has already determined which side is correct in this "debate?"

Klein has settled the issue in one of his many corrections:

Democrats say that I was wrong to report that the bill includes a FISA court review of individual foreign terrorist targets who might communicate with U.S. persons, although it does include an annual “basket” review of procedures used by U.S. intelligence agencies to target foreign suspects. The Republican Committee staff disagrees and says my reporting is correct.

I have to side with the Democrats.

I have to side with the Democrats.

Bam! STFU, Time editors! Suck it! Game over!

So now the question is, why does Time refuse to acknowledge that the journalist whose beat this was has settled the fucking issue definitively? Why do they bend over backwards to offer a "correction" that flies right in the fucking face of what Klein said?

This "debate" is over. It was bullshit from the start, and now even Klein sees it.

But the editors of Time think it's more important to bail out their overinflated egos than to admit that the Republican party has suckered them into carrying water for the ultimate destruction of the constitutional system.

Fuck the Constitution! I can't be seen as making a mistake! I'm an editor, God damn it!

Fuck you, Time. Fuck you.

Joe Klein's editor, Ms. Painton, hails from Holyoke (class of '80). My. I thought the Seven Sisters had long before rid themselves of both the M.R.S. and secretarial degree courses. Ms. Painton, however, seems delirious at taking dictation. I wonder if she can type?

Marcy, at that next conference on journalism and bloggers, can you liveblog the non-taking of prisoners?

Not only does Painton hail from Holyoke, she taught there. She taught journamalisms, no less.

On this page, the MHC News reports Painton's lessons on Time's "monumental fact-checking operation"

Painton has invited a number of experienced journalists to visit the class throughout the semester. On October 2, two Time colleagues, chief of reporters Jane Bachman Wulf '76 and deputy chief reporter Ratu Kamlani, who supervise the magazine's monumental fact-checking operation, shared their insights on accuracy and truthfulness in reporting. They showed the students examples of fact-checked drafts, explaining that literally every word is reviewed before an article goes to press. "Remember, there's always somebody out there who knows a lot more about the subject than you do," Painton interjected. "Don't get distracted by the 'wow factor.' Nerd-proof yourself."

Oops. I just got distracted by the "wow factor" of how badly Painton sucks at applying her own "lessons."

Damn it! That's what I get for being polite to the representatives of the NYT at the LAST hand-wringing-palms-sweating-Dear-God-what's-happening-to-journalism (with a token blogger ;) conference. Only problem was the folks on the stage (with one exception) appeared to have a different take on what the underlying problem is (bloggers) than the audience (stenography coupled with Wall Street corporate interests prevailing over civic duty). I wanted to take them to task for the shocking credulity of Bill "I've never seen a Miller/Gordon story I didn't like" Keller. But no, I was polite and asked a question about Wall Street's greed crippling newsrooms. Arrrggghhhh! Go get 'em EW, and while you're reading them the riot act, we'll have the exits covered -- take no prisoners and no escape!

Bastards. I used to love reading the paper.

And Kagro, that piece you had on this over at DKos was a thing of beauty. I doff my cap to you sir.

Take No Prisoners, movie, 2008, starring Emptywheel, music by Ennio Morricone...

And when and where is the next conference (east coast) going to be? I'm all for more blood on the stage. Way too much bending over backwards to be fair. Might as well just bend over.

Shorter Time: "Liar, liar, pants on fire!"

stenographers are trained to accurately transcribe meetings/conversations. Don't taint their vocation by lumping them in with the likes of JoeK. If we're looking for a word to describe JoeK's ilk, how about opinaters, since they're not educated enough to be pundits, and are mostly spreading opinions, theirs and others?

It's a nonce word, but I think it has a nice ring to it.

inkslingers! (throw words around, and see what sticks and what evaporates)

cacographers! (unreadable shit?)

duplicators! (this has a nice echo of dupes, endlessly repeating without understanding or verifying the message)

I like cacagraphers. Or infotaints.

Next time there's a panel, someone should park a truck full of rotten vegetables out front and "donate" a bag to each member of the audience.

I remember in j-school (a long time ago) we would be "hung" grade-wise for ANY editorializing. EW, looks like you need to lead the way back... A "Back To The Future" journalism-style!

Kagro...I also read your article on Kos and it was excellent as well!!

Some of the histrionic rage from FDL and KOS seems to be leaking over here to TNH.

Scatologists?

"...I guarantee you, the next time I attend a conference on journalism and blogging, I will take no prisoners."

For some unknown reason, that last statement above got me all hot and bothered.

Go to it, sister.

I like cacographers too!

Sadly, I stopped relying on Time Magazine for insightful information a long time ago. It is more like People Magazine than a reliable source.

Keep up your hard work, and thank you for doing it.

It was here first, Jodi.

Please see if you can say more stupid shit. I'm dying to know if it can get dumber.

Thank you.

"Opinions on Shape of Earth Differ," eh? Or to put it in Time-speak:

"In the original version of this story, Joe Klein wrote that the Earth is flat. Republicans believe the evidence can be interpreted that way, but Democrats don't."

Some of the histrionic rage from FDL and KOS seems to be leaking over here to TNH.
Posted by: Shit Stain Jodi | November 28, 2007 at 08:45

If you think the reaction is related to acting then you are a much bigger shit stain than I previosly realized. You see, the professional press played a big role in preparing this country for war in Iraq on false pretenses. It delivered the false pretenses. But fuck you moron and fuck your brother.

potty mouth
Kagro X


You are turning off the majority of the electorate with your vile language.

Yes it is right and just to point out lies, and misdeeds, and just plain stupidity, but you then confuse and revolt people with your vile mouths.

It is just plain self defeating. Why don't you wake up?

Shit Stain Jodi, Who asked and who cares? STFU

You are turning off the majority of the electorate with your vile language.

And your evidence for this would be what, exactly?

It is just plain self defeating. Why don't you wake up?

We did wake up, as did most of the country. It looks likely that even more will wake up in the coming year. You can clutch your pearls and try to distract from vile actions by pretending that "vile language" is the real problem, but given the choice between vile actions and vile language, decent people will reject vile actions every time.

Hi there, "majority of the electorate." How are you? Are you here as Jodi's guest? Why? She's stupid. If I were you, I'd get another ride.

Who is more at fault here, the journalists or the partisans who pressure the journalists to believe (as truth) their own interpretations?

I say bah humbug! Let the journalists receive the flack they well deserve and let US remember to NOT BUY that next issue of Time or Newsweek.

Who is more at fault here, the journalists or the partisans who pressure the journalists to believe (as truth) their own interpretations?

I say bah humbug! Let the journalists receive the flack they well deserve and let US remember to NOT BUY that next issue of Time or Newsweek.

And what was it that Lurch Cheney said to Sen. Leahey on the Senate floor Jodi?

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