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ew,

Thanks for saving me the trouble doing all this. I do have one quibble. This bit:

Olson could make Cheney's argument that courts had no jurisdiction, but he wanted to "show them that you at least have some system of due process in place" to ensure against wrongful detention, according to a senior Justice Department official who closely followed the debates. This senior official could be someone like Comey himself or Jack Goldsmith.

I think this one has to be a current DOJ official. That would have to be Clement.

Two things seem clear. Josh Bolten is worried about keeping Bush in office and out of jail. And the White House Counsel's Office is in complete disarray.

You're probably right, WO. I'll note it above. I think the article deliberately hides people behind current and former status, helped along by their "cast of characters" that provides absolutely no detail when someone left.

I also love your assessment of Bolten's position. This is pretty masterful, if it is entirely his doing, which I doubt. Let's hope it's effective.

I'm thinking Condi was a more source for some at first glance - if anyone has cause for a whole headful of hate for Cheney, it is her.

Old Coastie

I agree. There were several times I came close to naming her. But if she is a source, she has hidden her tracks remarkably well.

Some of these quotes, like the fact that neither Cheney nor Addington care what anyone else thinks, could have come from virtually anyone who ever worked at all closely with them. I'm willing to bet there are more than a few disgruntled folks out there waiting to be interviewed.

Bolten would seem to have his prints all over this. Who's watching his back? Which suggests we ought to be reading the DC accident reports carefully, also the "resigned to spend more time with his family" reports.

On Cheney's reaction to 9/11--I have never believed the MIHOP theories or even, really, the LIHOP ones except possibly as to one or at most two people. If you were a high-up Saudi, maybe in intel, who, if anyone, would you tell if you did know something? Or a Pakistani? Is that why Dick is so supportive of the Pakistanis? At least you would know he could keep a secret. Just food for thought.

And why now? Is it just that Gellman and Becker demanded that it be put out or is there something afoot that people are either fleeing or trying to stop by weakening Cheney?

Hmm, sourced to Poppy? Interesting. You figure it's his attempt to pin this all on Big Time, so that he doesn't have to watch Junior be impeached and then extradited to The Hague?

Given how loathe the Dem leadership seems to be to move on imnpeachment past anyone except maybe Gonzales, who seems to be walking around DC with an "Impeach Me!" sign that someone put on his back, the idea that they are afraid of Bush being impeached or going to jail seems far fetched. But trying to neuter Cheney because of what he might do seems more plausible to me, or what more he might drag them all into.

Certainly the more realistic have to be contemplating a life after the Cheney Admin, so they have to be thinking about their own survival too. If the proverbial sh*t hits the fan big time, like Iran or the exposure of something we don't yet know about, there will be a much more serious commission to find out what happened. Maybe the articles are just the breadcrumb trail.

tekel

Baker was quoted by name, yes (plus Quayle, but he doesn't count). So I do think perhaps the Baker + Powell wing is a big factor here.

Though I confess I have no sense of where Josh Bolten plays in the other rivalries at all.

ew: an edit for Mary Matalin...?

"without commenting on the legality of efficacy"

should perhaps be "legality or efficacy"

whoever said which to whom--it's a pit of vipers, the lot of them...

Mimikatz: is there something afoot that people are either fleeing or trying to stop by weakening Cheney?

Isn't the whole world walking on eggshells, just waiting for Dick Cheney to launch the invasion of Iran? And anyone with even half a must realize that attacking Iran would only add calamity to disaster- but I'm preaching to the choir on that one I think :-/

If ew is right about GHWB's involvement, perhaps this article represents the old guard's push to force Cheney's removal after the ISG Baker/Hamilton report failed to produce any meaningful policy changes.

Mimikatz: is there something afoot that people are either fleeing or trying to stop by weakening Cheney?

Isn't the whole world walking on eggshells, just waiting for Dick Cheney to launch the invasion of Iran? And anyone with even half a must realize that attacking Iran would only add calamity to disaster- but I'm preaching to the choir on that one I think :-/

If ew is right about GHWB's involvement, perhaps this article represents the old guard's push to force Cheney's removal after the ISG Baker/Hamilton report failed to produce any meaningful policy changes.

"half a brain." and somehow I double posted... must be time for lunch :-/

Cheney can't launch the war himself, like General Jack D. Ripper. Gates is at least the nominal civilian head of the military, who wou;ld do the actual shooting/bombing. So this may also be a battle for Bush's soul, or for the sould of the military, showing them how many people would back them if they try to stand firm against Cheney. I dunno, but more and more I think something's afoot.

Emptywheel, you are wonderful!

With all of the light starting to shine in on our secretive VP, and, I think, some major rumblings in the MSM, could it be that impeachment will not be necessary? Could it force Cheney to resign to avoid public humiliation? For someone who is so secretive, this has got to be disgraceful!

Maybe he might save us the trouble...

Condi, to me, has been very interesting to watch.

First, she got rung-up on War Crimes Charges in Germany, which caused her to immediately fly to Singapore and play the piano.

Then, Tenet slyly pinned her between him and Bush with his July 10, 2001 meeting revelation - where Tenet and Cofer Black warned Condi in 'the starkest possible terms' about 911 - a meeting which she conveniently forgot to mention to the 911 Commission. A year and a half later, she was a player, along with Big Time, in Mushroom Cloud Sunday, too.

Realistically, she must be feeling like she's got one foot on the gallows at this point - and she has to choose between placing her other foot with Bush or Cheney.

The stakes are very high for her.


Kudos on the careful analysis and sourcing, ew.

When I read the first article, I took it as a way for someone behind the scene who wanted to salvage W's presidency for history, by putting the blame for the more egregious actions firmly on Cheney. I figure it's Poppy,Baker,Bolton and Rice mostly behind it all. Throw in some Kkkarl and Meyers, and you've got yourself a reverse coup. Regardless, history will not look kindly on all of their complicity in this, nor on their "profiles in courage".

Impeachment hearings today, war crimes tribunals tomorrow. For.All.Of.Them.

EW, you ma'am, are a Goddess of the incunabulae. Keep up the amazing work.

If Bush's loyalists are in the process of shoving Cheney out the door, with the assistance of the Post and other MSM reporters, interesting times are ahead. The plan may be to clean up Jorge's act by blaming Dicko for everything bad that's happened and, once Darth is gone, install a presidential wannabe as his replacement. My money is on Darth scuttling any such caper.

Marcy: Great work!

Mimikatz: "So this may also be a battle for Bush's soul . . " He has one?

Minnesota chuck--that's just a figure of speech, not a judgment on Bush himself.

masterful work. fascinating!!
and much appreciated. as this adminstration rapidly unravels

What happens if they are throwing Cheney under the bus........so they can pick another VP......... ala kkkarl (maybe COndi) to run in 08. I think I am going to be sick, Cheney can resign because of health (cough) problems. (I hope not) I think COndi and Poppy are trying to clean up Juniors mess for the history books.

lolo

lolo, I don't think Karl could get confirmed without a major fight and a lot of blackmail or something. I'm not really sure anyone who'd be a viable candidate in '08 could be confirmed, at this point. (Condi isn't a viable candidate for much of anything in the way of political office.)

We have gone for fairly long periods, a couple of years, without a VP. Why would the (Dem) Congress approve one when Nancy Pelosi is in the #2 spot if Cheney is gone?

But I don't think that's what's happening. And Condi has zero cred. I'm not sure she even wants elective office. I bet she'd rather slink back to Stanford.

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