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November 05, 2006


Mr. ladeen just forgot to invent the memory hole, that's all

or maybe the innertubes just have a liberal bias

either way, you gotta bet that these stupid fuckers already knew we were writing this stuff down and keeping backup copies ???

they can't be THAT STUPID, can they ???


Mr. Ledeen would doubtless disagree with the assertion in your post title. His notion of a good lie is simply one that serves his current purpose. He knows he doesn't have to worry about whether or not his current lies are consistent with his past ones for the simple reason that his target audience won't care. The true believers have already donned their reality interference headgear (which for some is no more complicated than sticking their fingers in their ears and repeating "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you") and the policymakers he hopes to influence are more than happy with Ledeen's amoral propaganda, no internal consistency required as long as it fires up the rubes.

The really amazing thing about Mr. Ledeen is that the sum of all his efforts over the last 25 years has been to strengthen the hand of his putative enemies, the most radical leaders of the Islamic revolution in Iran. Every single time the U.S. has followed Mr. Ledeen's advice, the Iranians, especially the radical mullahs, have benefitted. Unlike Mr. Chalabi, who is rather obviously an agent of the Iranian government, Mr. Ledeen truly seems to be the classic "useful idiot".

Great post! It's amazing to me to think that the consequences of the Nixon dysfunction are still affecting our government and society today. I just don't think we really had a handle of the true seriousness of the Nixon years. It is, as if I needed the cumulative knowledge of the past administrations and Bush to fully understand the consequences of the Nixon Administration. I pray that we as a nation learn from the bigger picture and understand that the black and white thinking, the cognitive distortions were symptoms of a some very pathological people.

Will we as a nation get better at recognizing that when simplicity replaces complexity and elegance is not the outcome, we are looking at a distorted vision. We don't have to argue about right or wrong, we only need to recognize how to know if it's a distortion or not. It's a distortion if the speech is full of black and white thinking and many judgments. If we are arguing right and wrong instead discussing the viability of a solution, we need to be wary. That's how americans can know the difference between pathology and leadership. I pray we learn from this administration, how to recognize despotism for future generations.

i confess to having been only dimly aware of michael ledeen... i know he's been a strong force within the neocon cabal that's driven us to the brink of complete foreign policy and international relations meltdown, but i had never associated him with outright evil of the sort that karl rove has inadvertently shown us on occasion - until this...
Ledeen: Yes of course we're going to win, and we're going to remove the tyrannies in Iran and Syria, and either Saudi Arabia is going to change their policies -- shutting down the radical schools and mosques -- or we will have to go after them as well. Remember there are lots of overqualified unemployed Hashemites nowadays. You don't believe we will win because you haven't studied our history. If it were Europe you might be right; Europe is ready to surrender to anyone. They tried hard to surrender to the Soviet Union but it just didn't work out for them, poor things. But we are talking about America, and Americans love to fight and love to win.
up to this point, i had seen ledeen as just another neocon ideologue, huffing and puffing about the u.s. manifest destiny as world savior, but it was his comments about europe that stopped me cold... and it's not even his views ABOUT europe that i find so appalling... it's the cold, cruel - yes, evil - way he phrased them... it's the same reaction i had to ron suskind's description * of what he heard while waiting outside karl rove's white house office... there's a difference between being an ideologue and being pathologically evil... congratulations, mr. ledeen... you've joined karl at the top of my list of darkest forces...
* Eventually, I met with Rove. I arrived at his office a few minutes early, just in time to witness the Rove Treatment, which, like LBJ’s famous browbeating style, is becoming legend but is seldom reported. Rove’s assistant, Susan Ralston, said he’d be just a minute. She’s very nice, witty and polite. Over her shoulder was a small back room where a few young men were toiling away. I squeezed into a chair near the open door to Rove’s modest chamber, my back against his doorframe.

Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. "We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!" As a reporter, you get around—curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events—but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour.
every so often, someone will tip his hand, and you can see the real person behind the imago... rove's revealing moment for me was the above... for ledeen, it was the interview with frontpagemag... in that one brief instant, the mask is off, and you can see the true evil underneath...


The sad thing is, he probably knows too much. I mean, this guy is a dirty spy who has been involved with under-the-table CIA bullshit for over 40 years. He's probably unindictable because he knows where too many bodies are buried. I've noticed in the last month of reading SCOTUS decisions that there is an unspoken undercurrent that runs through many of them, that unites even Crazy Tony with his liberal colleagues. That undercurrent is encouraging respect for the institution. Teaching another generation that provoking instability and war in the middle east has been our official policy for at least the last 60 years will not encourage respect for the institution of American government.

If the depths of Leeden's perfidity were exposed for the world to see, we'd have to dismantle the CIA entirely, and I'm sure that the top brass of that Agency have sufficiently... persuasive... materials...(cough blackmail cough) to ensure that would never happen.

I think the best we can hope for is that someone will order him to be fitted for cement shoes. And then Negroponte will throw him out of a helicopter into the ocean.

What is so disgusting is that Ledeen's wife, Barbara, is involved with a group that throws monthly parties for the Iraq War wounded who are receiving treatment at Walter Reed Army Hospital. A friend told me that a group from his church helped out, and I thought I might like to be a part. When I looked into it, it was a party organized by Barbara and buddies and attended by neoconservatives.

Can you believe the hypocrisy?

They set aside the second Saturday of every month for a party, where volunteers and soldiers could meet. When the Iraq War started, she and two career officers -retired admiral John Totushek and Lt. Gen. Theodore Stroup Jr.--formed another group, the Helping Our Heroes Foundation, to help wounded veterans deal with financial crises, career and educational problems, and other challenges of reentry into civilian life. The group held a Memorial Day dinner last May that brought patients together with 35 Republican senators. The group's first Hire a Hero evening-an event that brings veterans together with potential employers--was held on December 8.

When Theobald and the patients ran into political problems-red tape and some institutional roadblocks--Theobald called Barbara Ledeen, an aide to Rick Santorum at the Senate Republican Conference who has a large circle of activist friends. Ledeen started coming to the Saturday parties, and before long she was acting as a one-woman switchboard, connecting veterans and families to their senators and congressmen, working to secure help and money, and leaning on uncooperative bureaucrats. In September 2003, Ledeen began sending out mass e-mails to all the Hill's Republican staffers, urging them and their bosses to appear at the Saturday parties. Staffers from Tom DeLay's office, for example, began to appear every month. Senators Ted Stevens, John Cornyn, and Jeff Sessions came, and spent hours visiting patients in wards.


Can you believe the hypocrisy?

Thank you for pointing this out, I had never heard of these parties. I think it is worse than just hypocrisy, though, it is encouraging feelings in the veterans and families that these are the people who care about their specific needs, despite the facts that a---it still does not force the government as a whole —through, you know, the due processes of budget appropriations and spending— to fulfill its obligations (and all ours by extension) to all veterans, even though B.Ledeen is probably well-connected enough to mount an effort that would lead to a proper government response; and b---instead of feeling that they have been treated fairly and received their due from the government that sent them into danger and demanded so much else from them, the vets and their families are being set up to bond and feel gratitude to the people who deliberately and with the deepest, and dare I say philosophically "justified," cyncism, used them.

It is deeply corrupt stuff. Some might say I'm being unfair in judging so harshly, but I say that people who advertise themselves as having such penetrating insight into the workings of people's minds that they can "leverage" even whole nations in the way they want them to go, should be presumed to make the effort to do so whenever it might be useful to them.

Glen Greenwald, who cites, the DKos version of this article, has an excellent point and an excellent idea for all of these lying retreaters. The point:

I don't think any sentient human being will believe that Ledeen forgot that he was a proponent of this invasion. It is clear that he simply wants to disassociate himself from the worst strategic disaster made by our country in a long time, if not ever, by lying about his support for it. He's trying to preserve his credibility in order to enable himself, NR, and the AEI to continue to drive our country's foreign policy -- particularly the additional regime change adventures they want in many more countries -- and it is intolerable for this to be permitted. [My emphasis---pd]

Actually, this is only one of several excellent points, but maybe the most important. The idea:

… doesn't Rich Lowry, the Editor of NR, have an obligation -- at the very least -- to print a retraction or correction of Ledeen's lie? And are NR's journalistic standards so low or non-existent that they would continue to allow someone like Ledeen, who blatantly lies about such a critical issue, to continue to write for them? You can (and, I think, should) ask Lowry about that by e-mailing him …

Some useful e-mail addresses are at Unclaimed Territory,



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