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Wow, great story!

Although, I thought the "fundamental lack of understanding" was going to be on the part of the Chinese, as in, "You mean you would've paid more for this?"

If we could just convince the Chinese that it was worth it to them to have their instructions written in proper English, we could make a small dent in that trade deficit with consulting fees.

Many thanks for a wonderful essay. Among many great lines, this one stood out for me:

Who’s driving this bus? If only these folks would collectively realize that if they don’t refuse to stop the process, no one will.

It's the collectively there that's key--individually, yes, they're impotent to change this; but collectively--in concert with one another, and with like-minded folks who've never set foot on the globalization express--they have the power to change it.

Or alternately, as you point out, we can all just wait for our financial house of cards to tumble, and (to mix metaphors) that should throw a mean monkey wrench into the gears.

Something you might find interesting is that I work for a small company, there are only three of us, that engineers equipment. We have outsourced some parts to China, but they are very simple and really only an advantage as a result of lower material costs (China is buying up all of the steel, which makes it more expensive here). However, on more complex parts that require "talented" machinists, American prices are much better. I think part of it is the Chinese "Entrepeneurs" are really marking up their product to make a "killing", but many parts are cheaper to manufacture here, so we do. I should point out, we are somewhat specialized and build in low production quantities, maybe two to four machines a year.

We also looked at India for engineering, such that we would design the machine and have them make the detail drawings, but none of the companies would do that. The Inidans would only engineer a machine if they literally "Engineered" and designed it. They aren't seeking work, they are seeking "knowledge capital." Needless to say, we didn't have them do anything because we weren't interested in creating someone to compete against us. However, I have to wonder how many companies have gone that route as a result of maximizing share holder profits?

I think something that would be wise for the Democrats to come up with would be a "document" which spells out "Share Holder" responsibilities to America. It would seem the only responsibility they really held before was to pay their taxes, but even that seems dubious under the present administration. As America kneels before the most powerful religion within it's borders, Capitalism, someone needs to real it in before it destroys America. The people who hold the capital are the ones driving the bus and they aren't beholden to anyone. They and their high priests (Fed Chairman) have failed miserably in the context of an "enlightened" civil society. This must change, for the future of the nation and the world.

I worked for Sprint. A couple years ago Sprint decided to outsource much of their IT work to India. The aim was to save $30 million a year in IT costs. Assurances were made that only low level work would be outsourced. That the "secret sauce" as our CIO called it, would never be outsourced. Somehow, the real knowledge work, the cutting edge, interesting work would stay in house while the grunt coding work would be done in India. Now this may be fine in theory but is completely unworkable in practice. Because, as anyone who has the least bit of knowledge about the IT industry (and our CIO did, so he was most assuredly blowing smoke up our asses) the people who do the high-level work need to do grunt level work before they are able to do the cutting edge work. By outsourcing the low-level work Sprint was destroying its ability to produce competent IT workers three to five years down the road. They must know this and the long term plan must be to turn the entire IT program over to subcontractors in India.

Re: Understanding. Actually, the Chinese do pay more for things, at least the stuff I'm involved in. It's a consumer good, mostly the wealthy are buying, and credit is out there. So they're paying the same amount in dollars--or more--for our goods than Americans are. And the profits, for my American company, a MUCH higher here, because they're selling Chinese labor for the same amount that they sell American labor. That said, the Chinese are more likely to understand, because they live in a world where they have to work in two cultures. For the most part, the Americans I see here are still working only in American culture.

Re: the costs of outsourcing. My brother until recently worked managed IT consulting for an Israeli company that sold software for call centers. He said companies had found that outsourcing their call centers wasn't necessarily profitable. There were so many inherent management problems that they needed to invest in India in ways they didn't need to invest here.

But then that's why they everyone needs to stop together. The compulson, for so many people, comes from the myth about globalization (and also comes from the assumption of cheap oil, which ain't going to last), not necessarily a real cost-benefit analysis.

Freder, good point. I have to wonder if the CIO really understood the connection (did s/he have experience in the trenches, or just an MBA?). Of course, 3-5 years in the future, the CIO will be in another company and doesn't care. There are bonuses to be had *now*.

I'm witnessing the beginning transfer of jobs in a network operations center myself. First they fired the employees, then hired them back as contractors. They have created rigid guidelines for the NOC monkeys to follow, initiative is silently discouraged. They are opening a place in India, ostensibly so the NOC can "follow the sun". Of course, "this will not affect" the second and third level personnel. Yeah right.

Oh. I meant that I thought the Chinese were misunderstaning how much we used to be willing to pay Americans to do the same work.

Ah. I see. I don't think they care much. At least in my admittedly limited interaction with small businessmen here says they're primarily interested in paying their employees as little as they can get away with, just like American businessmen.

Nice post. Thanks. Nothing smart to add at this point...
China does seem to pop up a lot in blog posts, papers and conversations these days...


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