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Thanks, PP, for putting the spotlight on this case.

Every time I read about this environmental disaster, I am reminded that Monsanto faked studies on dioxin exposure, making it appear that there were no ill effects. Evidence of fraud in the studies came to like in Kemner v. Monsanto in 1989. During discovery, victims suing the company over a 1979 rail derailment spill of toxic chemical found that some of the same people who were classified as dioxin exposed in one Monsanto study were, in a later study, classified as not exposed.

A similar thing happened with Dow Chemical's and Shell Oil's production of DBCP, a pesticide for roundworms used widely by Southern and other farmers that I exposed in articles in The Straight Creek Journal in 1977. The company conducted tests and found ill effects of DBCP down to 5 ppm. So, without testing beyond this level, they set the exposure standard at 5 ppm. When male workers started wondering why none of them had children, their low sperm counts were traced to DBCP exposure. Other problems - liver and kidney damage - were also discovered.


You're welcome, MB.

I did come across some information about the Monsanto dioxin exposure studies, and I actually (vaguely) remember hearing about that way back when.

As for the DBCP, I took an environmental organic chemistry class, and our professor talked about the same case you exposed! Damn, can I have your autograph now? ;-)

Thanks for this very informative post... very well presented.

The paper in Chemosphere you link to as evidence that dioxins stay in the environment for decades is slightly sketchy to me. I am not bringing it up to dispute any of your conclusions but just because the science is bothering me. Chemosphere doesn't appear to be a top journal and the authors are from the Vietnamese ministry of health (except the first author who's from a consulting firm). The paper's not online, but I believe they claim they find dioxins in fish, ducks, and humans near the base where the most Agent Orange was stored. It doesn't look like they have any idea what percent of the original dose that represents or what the half-life in the environment is.

But it's clear we dumped a lot of nasty shit on Viet nam and it is still making people sick.

I believe the same could be said of Hiroshima, couldn't it? Is it reasonable for the Japanese to sue the manufacturers of the planes that dropped the bombs? Or for Iraqis to sue the manufacturers of the missile systems that have killed tens (hundreds?) of thousands of civilians?

I am not being sarcastic, I am really not sure. It's an interesting idea, and I haven't thought about it enough to know how I feel. When does it become ridiculous? (Can the Vietnamese sue individuals who were stockholders in Dow during the development of Agent Orange?)

Hey emptypockets,

I just did the nerd thing and looked up TCDD's half life.

EPA technical factsheet on TCDD.

Its half-life in lakes is about 1.5 years. In soil interiors, it can be as much as 12 years. There's a ton of other data there.

The most important thing to note is that once it's in you, it's there to stay (unless you have liposuction - sorry, that was lame sarcasm). I guess you can think of the bioaccumulation of dioxin as a type of persistence.

Page,

thanks for the info & link. That EPA factsheet also notes it is extremely poorly soluble in water, although even the amount you can get into solution is 20x higher than the maximum safe dose for a child to be drinking... it is toxic in the nanogram range & we were I'm sure dumping, storing & spilling hundreds of kilograms there (any numbers on this, by the way? I doubt the military records are available or reliable but the chemical companies must know how many tons of agent orange they shipped & what percent impurity dioxin made up.

As to my other questions about (1) how far the chain of accountability goes & (2) if there is accountability for killing during war, maybe there aren't good answers. Please keep us updated as this goes to trial, if you can, and someone much smarter than me tries to figure out the answers.

The defendants' claim that Agent Orange (2,4,5 T) wasn't used as a weapon is bogus. In Vietnam, 2,4,5 T was deliberately used to destroy food crops, a weaponized use if there ever was one.

The companies' arrogance isn't surprising. As MB points out, they're responsible for a string of domestic atrocities, which has given them a lot of practice at being aggressive and callous.

We all carry these chemicals in our body fat, including the lipid faction of our blood. Recent studies have shown that dioxin exposure can cause endometriosis in MEN. In its 1994 reassessment of dioxin-like compounds, the EPA found that dioxin causes endometriosis and behavioral abnormalities (inability to deal with stress, for example) at concentrations close to background levels among the general population. This means that more sensitive people, and more heavily exposed people, are suffering from these effects right now.

But the companies don't give a shit because they know they don't have to. They continue to poison us with dioxin. For example, a ubiquitous source of TCDD (and other PCDDs and furans) is in every American neighborhood, leaking from virtually every telephone pole. These poles are treated with pentachlorophenol which, like 2,4,5 T, is highly contaminated with dioxins and furans. Most phone poles are treated with penta dissolved into heavy oil, which is what gives the poles their brown color. This mixture is 5% penta and the smallest amount of the brown goo that oozes from the poles contains extremely high levels of dioxins and furans.

The community uses these poles without any idea they ooze chemicals that can make little boys develop uterine tissues in their abdomens. Look around your neighborhood. You'll see kids playing around the poles. My friends and I used to use them as bases for kickball. People use them as community billboards to post "roomate wanted" and lost pet posters. And the toxic brown ooze washes off the poles into streams where it enters the food chain.

To recap: Each of us carries a body burden of dioxin that the EPA says is close to the level that causes endometriosis in women and a host of other developmental abnormalities. And companies are allowed to put more of it right into our neighborhoods without even telling us. In one sense, it's a measure of just how weak our product liability system is (and how sick our society has become) that a chemical like penta -- highly contaminated with dioxin -- can continue to be used where kids play.

These companies have spent a lot of money and worked long and hard to exempt themselves from liability. They thumb their noses at Americans who try to sue them for injuries suffered right here. It's no wonder they sneer at Vietnamese who seek justice for what was done thirty years ago nine thousand miles away.

If there is a hell, the executives of Dow, Monsanto, and Vulcan will surely be there. That is to say nothing of their political enablers.

Fred Wilcox told the Agent Orange Story best back years ago but no one paid attention. In his book "Waiting For An Army To Die---The Tragedy Of Agent Orange." Thing is we didn't pay attention nor did we learn for we continued much of the same in the Gulf Wars & today we go on....maiming our heroes & watching them continue to suffer & die after they come home to another war. We continue to maim our own & deny them all in the same breath that we have have saved another country? When will we ever learn???

greetings to all viet vets...

sprayed and betrayed.. that says it all.. great article...funny thing about this is that the people of vietnam will more then likely get compensated, while most viet vets won't.. funny how our gov. wants us to fight for it,and then betrayes us!!!!

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I was stationed on Guam,not only did the airforce spray the old runways with AO,The planes wereloaded at Anderson AFB,spills on tar mack,wash dowen the drain to the aquafier and we all drank it.I have pic's where it was buried,the truck numbers -forklift numbers.photo of the barrels that read clear Ao-AB-AW. I have 4 kids with birth defects -spinal bifida,extra toes , CA,mental slowness,The kicker is I was told at AO exam as "positive findings" --Yet I am being denied because it wasn't Nam.Texas veterans magazine OOPs last time with stating the AO was transferred from Okinawa to Nam also.I called them and they didn't realize that they had made a positive stament to the fact it was all over the damned place. I suffer daily as do my kids.I have uncontrolled Diabetes with multiple injections and 6 times a day testing.Have no feelings in the hands &feet.Pawned of as something else caused it.
Any help for Guam veterans is appreciated. There are 8 of us fighting to win other than Guam . Respectfully David Starr. For give misspelled -blind.

I am seeking Vietnam Vets who have daughters that have endometriosis. I am wondering if it is related to my exposure to agent orange. There is no endometriosis on either said of our families.

I am seeking Vietnam Vets who have daughters that have endometriosis. I am wondering if it is related to my exposure to agent orange. There is no endometriosis on either said of our families.

2002 diagnosed with non-hodgkins lymphoma, also have diebetes,perifual noropthy,Asstoporosis due to chemo, unable to walk short distance and can,t stand for more than 5 min.

I was married to a Vietnam Vet and we had a daughter. She is now on Social Security Disability and has had more than 25 surgical procedure to remove the endometriosis that keeps recurring.

I am a nurse and investigator and recently wondered if there was a connection between the Agent Orange her dad was exposed to and the endometriosis. The clinic she goes to now is treating her with "aromatase inhibitors" also know as chemotherapy drugs which helped her get some control over her pain from the endometriosis.

My ex-husband went for 3 tours to Vietnam and developed diabetes from his exposure to Agent Orange.

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I am trying to find any other active servicemen stationed in Okinawa during Vietnam. My father recently passed away and had diabetes and non-hodgkins lymphoma. I am reading a lot about Vietnam vets who were in-country that have these AO related diseases, but nothing about vets from Okinawa. Thanks for help.

I served at Anderson AFB (1968) and at Kadena AFB (1970) as a Security Policeman. We humped the B-52's and the ammo dumps. I remember a post near Pott's junction that smelled real bad, there 55 gal drums stacked up. I was diagnosed with type two diabetes, had quadruple heart by-pass, ventricular tachacadria they put in a pacemaker that lasted about ten years then a difribulator. They cleaned out my right corotid artery and know say that I haave a growth on my thyroid gland, just started by test today. I need solid info to file a claim. There was a case awarded out of Boston for a guy stationed at Anderson. Any info will help. Thank You John

I was stationed at anderson AFB (1966 thur 1968) I need help proving my disabilities which were caused by agent orange. mine are diabetes type two,and peripheral neuropathy which affect legs and hands, and numerous other problems. I worked around the flight line and drinking water wells. We used to spray on a daily if not weekly basis.Dioxon was clearly used. We had a chemical dump where the drums were stored and most of them were damaged. Need all the help I can from my fellow brothers. Ph 1-707-795-3260 Thanks

I am looking for daughters of vietnam vets or WWll vets who was exposed to agent orange and now have thyroid problems. Please contact me

TDY assignments to Andersen AFB Guam 1967-69, from Westover AFB MA. In Supply Squadron. Dioxin or Dioxin-like and other harmful contaminants found outside our barracks at Marbo Annex, 6 3-story buildings. Seek other GUAM VETS. If you have disabilities or like to share VA claim information, send me an e-mail. My other e-mail address: [email protected] I live in Corpus Christi Texas. (Houston VA)

i'm looking for information linking agent orange exposure to endometriosis in the children of Veterans.

i was stationed on guam at andersen afb, 3ad hq command post from 1965-1967. also in canada and thailand. to keep it short i have since had or still have glaucoma, type2 diabetes, prostate surgery, thyroid and throat cancer surgery and cancer of my rt kidney and subsequent removal. i've consistently been denied by the va. can anyone sugggest help for me. thank you

I was stationed at the Naval Facility at Ritidion Point in 1971 and 1972. Being in the SeaBees we sprayed weed killer on the edge of the jungle to keep it back. Boy was I stupid. Now I have type II Diabetes and have suffered from this disease for about 10+ years. Anyone else out there who is in a similar situation I could use your help to research this.

Thanks

I am looking for other children of V.Vets that were born with heart defects.

I am 33 and just finished my second open heart to replace my deformed valve.
My beloved Father passed away 2years ago. He was a victom of A.O and was in the process of a class action law suit. He lived in Mlps Mn.
He suffered terrible PTSS. And died alone because of it. I was devistated. That war took his soul. And, made me sick as a result.......

okinawa from 73 - 76. now suffering from diabetes, mood swings, anxiety, high cholesterol, neuropathy, triple bypass at 46 need to hear from others with similar conditions or anyone with information concerning ao storage or transportation through okinawa.

thanks.

I am 58, was in Okinawa68,69,&70. Many problems. I am now in the VA Loma Linda,Ca.
If you could send any info of men in "C" Company at 2nd Log Command,
Machinato,Okinawa

I have a host of physical maladies that are all symptomatic of Agent Orange exposure but since I was in Guam 1973 to 1973 the VA says I am not apt to have been exposed to AO. I say BS what do you say?? Can anyone prove AO was there?

I was stationed in okinawa in 1975. I was 19 at the time. Before my 25th birthday, I had 3 surgeries resulting in a total hysterectomy with removal of both ovaries due to endometriosis.
I had a hemicolectomy in 89', developed diabetes in 92' and have had multiple surgeries for tumors to have grown in different areas. Is there any way for me to comfirm that AO was stored in okinawa?

I was stationed in okinawa in 1975. I was 19 at the time. Before my 25th birthday, I had 3 surgeries resulting in a total hysterectomy with removal of both ovaries due to endometriosis.
I had a hemicolectomy in 89', developed diabetes in 92' and have had multiple surgeries for tumors to have grown in different areas. Is there any way for me to comfirm that AO was stored in okinawa?

Posted by: debra perry | September 12, 2006 at 16:42

I was an OSI Agent in Guam, Anderson AFB. I traveled the Island extensively and many of the "off limit" areas. I was usually in the company of Maj. Silas R. Telander.(Commander of the Security Police Squadron. I have numerous maladies such as diabietes, tremors, neurological disorders. My son is now blind, and my daughter has so many disorders I can not articulate them all. I am willing to help others if they know the whereabouts of now Col. Telander (retired). Thanks and God Bless

MY FATHER HAS BEEN GONE ALMOST 5 YEARS NOW, HE PASSED OCTOBER 21, 2001, JUST 1 1/2 YEARS AFTER BEING DIAGNOSED WITH STAGE IV NON-HODGEKINS LYMPHOMA. I'M STILL SO ANGRY, SO EMPTY. OUR GOVERNMENT, WHAT A JOKE. THEIR AGENT ORANGE STOLE MY FATHER. AND AS IF THAT WASN'T CRUEL ENOUGH, THEIR AGENT ORANGE POISONED ME TOO. I HAVE PAINFUL ENDOMETRIOSIS, 1/2 AN OVARY, NO CHILDREN, ADHD AND OTHER NUEROLGICAL PROBLEMS.

Wandered on to this info, looking for a connection to some of my health problems. I sit here crying unable to believe what I am reading. Dear Lord what a world this is!

My Dad served in Vietnam and also had AO exposure. In the late 1970's, he had melanoma. He suffered for years with joint pain, gout, type II diabetes, breathing problems, sinus problems and also worked in the coal mines for 10+ years. He started having episodes of night sweats, fever, fatique, shortness of breath and worsening sinus problems. In 2000 he was hospitalized,tested, tested, and tested, but no diagnosis was found. His episodes would recede and he wouldn't have a flair up for maybe one or two years.

Finally in the fall of 2004, he got sick again, same problems, still no answers. He was sent to Duke Univ. and diagnosised with AML (acute myelogenous leukemia) and started treatment with a hope of living up to a year. He never came home, he died from respiratory failure from the treatment three weeks after he was admitted.

I'm still in shock that he went so fast, but now I'm finding out some of my own health problems may be related to AO. I had endometriosis for several years, two surgeries to contain it and finally a hysterectomy in 2005, I was 34 years old. No children. I have fibromyalgia, chronic fatique syndrome and joint problems.

I recently ruptured my achilles tendon, after 10+ years of pain and suffering with it. I had surgery and six weeks in a cast. The day my cast came off I made it home and put weight on my foot by accident and completely ruptured it again. Another surgery and I'm two weeks into my second six week cast.

I'm feeling blue being confined again, but I know it could be worse. I'm sorry if I'm rambling, but I feel like some of you may be going through some of the same things and would like to connect.

I have so many questions and need advice on where to look. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for listening, Andrea

I was a Marine Lance Corporal assigned to H&S Company Motor T, 1st Tracked Vehicle Bn stationed on Camp Schwab Okinawa from Jan to Dec 1979. During a field operation I transported three 55 gal drums of defoliant from Camp Hanson to the Northern Training area (NTA). While offloading one of the drums burst and soaked me pretty good from stomach to knees. Being on a field operation I was stuck in that uniform for the rest of the day and I believe part of the next day before I had a chance to change and clean up. The Gunnery Sergeant supervising the offloading at NTA mentioned it was agent orange. At the time I had no idea what that meant. I now have type 2 diabetes, numbness in legs and feet and difficulty walking and standing for any legnth of time. As usual the VA is denying that there is any proof that AO was ever on Okinawa at any time. I would appreciate it if anyone could provide statements that AO was on OKI. Of course I would be more than willing to provide a statement that as late as 1979 it was present and still being used to control foliage.

i need help with info about ao in guam[1967-68],and okinawa[67/68.also at utapao thailand.i was in mms on the flight line b-52

I was stationed in Okinawa during 1975 & 1976. I was a FMF Corpsman assigned to the 3rd Marine Division. I was in both the North, central and South ends of the island. I remember assignments at Camp Hansen, Camp Hague, and I believe Zucheran. I was deployed on BLT 2/9 with 12th marines during the Mayaguez recovery, and then on to Japan and Korea. Returned to Okinawa after the BLT exercise. I have the following problems:
B-12 deficiency, take injections monthly.
Severe skin problems about every 12-18 months.
Peripheral Neuropathy in hands & feet.
Irregular heartbeat.
Blood pressure and Cholesterol high levels
Psoriatic arthritis in all joints and spine.
Immune system disorder making me susceptible to infections.

VA has acknoledged the illnesses and is providing treatment, but of course no admission of exposure.

Any info you may have found would be greatly appreciated.
JD Bush

looking for help about ao in guam[67-68],okie[67-68],u-tapao[69-70] i was in mms on the fight line.need picture or any help [email protected]

My father was in Vietnam and has recently been going through some testing for effects of Agent Orange. I was talking to my parents about the possible connections of his exposure to AO and my physical symptoms that just seem to get worse over the years. I am 26 years old and feel like I'm 60. I have headaches every other day, severe allergies, endometriosis,the list goes on, but endometriosis is the only thing I've ever been diagnosed with because I was still under my parents insurance. Now that I have no health insurance, my symptoms just keep piling up. I found information about the connection between dioxins and endometriosis, which led me to this page. What a wonderful country we live in.....No universal health care plan, denial of the effects of AO, and a government that doesn't give a shit about us!

I was stationed on Guam at Andersen AFB from 12/61 to 6/63 with the 3960th Combat Support Group. I have contacted Diabetis
Type 2 and Polyneuropathy.
There was a ruling by Veteran Law Judge Robert Sullivan ruling in favor of an Air Force veteran who developed diabetes mellitus as a result of his exposure to Agent Orange while stationed on duty at Andersen AFB from Dec. 1966 to Oct. 1968. It is also said that AO was sprayed on Guam from 1955 to 1960's.

I was in The USAF and stationed at NKP Royal Thai Air Base, Thailand between 1973-74. I was diagnosed with Type II Diabetes 9 years ago, and last August I was diagnosed with Peripheral Neuropathy. After a recent MRI, it was revealed that I now have degenarative spinal condition in my neck. Agent Orange was used to prepare the airstrips, to clear and maintain the perimeter areas, and Munition storage and other areas on each of the bases in Thailand. This dioxins were used every where Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and various locations within the United States. It appears to be the gift that keeps on giving.

Tears are just running down my face. After reading post after post, could it be true? Is the government responsible for all the medical problems that I have had since I was 13 years old. And now I see that I am possible not the only one! WOW

I am a 32 year old female who’s father was exposed to A/O in 1970 – 1971. At age 13 I started forming cysts (four of them had to be removed). At age 19 I was diagnosed with endometriosis. After four surgeries, many different birth control and medications that put me into menopause, I developed cervical dysplasia (pre-cancer). I spent 10 years fighting endometriosis and 2 years trying to clear the dysplasia before my doctor and I decided enough was enough and he performed a complete hysterectomy in 2004 at the age of 29. (No Children). At the age 31 I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis. I have also been told that I have a Immune system disorder that through the years was passed off on my endometriosis.

Since I was 19 all I have heard is “do you have a family history of” and my response was always “NO”. Well now it seems to me that I do have a “family history of” along with all the other Americans who served our Country, the Brotherhood of the Armed Services……..

I am a 34yr old male i have had several rare disesases like tropicalpromidasidis when i was 9yrs old and now i have been dianosed with brugada syndrom a heart disease i want to know if this related to agent orange

I am a daughter of Vietnam Vet who had a Level 4 case of endometriosis and had to have a total hyster at the age of 32. I also have asthma and interstitial cystitis. My father died at the age of 37 from a brain tumor. Unfortunately, has not been declared a service-related death even though received nominal settlement from Dow Chemical Company.

I am a daughter of Vietnam Vet who had a Level 4 case of endometriosis and had to have a total hyster at the age of 32. I also have asthma and interstitial cystitis. My father died at the age of 37 from a brain tumor. Unfortunately, has not been declared a service-related death even though received nominal settlement from Dow Chemical Company.

WOW, I can't believe what I am reading. Daughters of Vietnam Vets with Endometriosis, we must unite. Living with endo is lonely and difficult enough, but stumbling on this blog/site has renewed my sense of being united in this struggle. As if growing up with unpredictable rage of PTSD wasn't enough, now there is mounting evidence of the connection of endo and AO. I am 35, also lost one ovary to endo, now going in for second surgery, no children. I am an ex navy nurse, service connected for endo, but I get 0%, only 67$ for loss of a creative organ, give me a break, if it had been a testicle, prob. would have been worth more...

Is any one interested in forming an online support group?

Yes, I'd definitely be interested in forming an online support group. I'm glad to know I'm not alone!

Have any of the women with endometriosis been diagnosed with interstitial cystitis? I was just reading about it and it is pretty common among women with endo. The symptoms, which are horrible, include frequent urges to urinate and pain in the pelvic region and during intercourse. Apparently, this is why surgery and birth control pills and chemically induced menopause don't eliminate the painful symptoms of endo. I am very disheartened to read about all the women without children, I am 26 and terrified that if I don't have a child soon, I may not be able to.

I was reading the above posts and I would also be VERY interested in forming an online support group. Seems like one person can't get anything done, but maybe a group can make a difference. It has to be worth a try!!! Anyone suffering with the "sins of our Country", endo, fibromyalgia and other immune diseases please feel free to email me! [email protected]

God Bless!!

P.S.---- forgot to say read my post, back in Oct. 2006!

Yes, I have interstitical cystitis also! I'm sure tired of the pain and feeling crappy every day.

Ooh, I have a great idea! I don't know much about web pages, but I know how to use myspace maybe we could create a profile on there and communicate that way. Otherwise my email is [email protected] I am open to any ideas about an online support group.

Okinawa 1973 H&S Company, Supply Batallion, Batallion Supply, 3rd Force Service Regiment, FMF PAC, Camp Foster Bldg#1163 over the Dispensary (sick bay).
I remember playing around with the weed killer sprayers we filled from big drums too. It was not unusual to get sprayed by a buddy or to have a breeze bring it back into your face. In the area I worked in, there were barrels just like it everywhere, some empty and others not. While all of the AO was to have been stored elsewhere, it was still in demand on the island. Generally speaking, supplies were ordered and distributed by us or Motor Transport from our warehouse. At the time I never gave it much thought, we weren't the enemy, what did we have to worry about. I remember reading in a newspaper that I received from home, that Pres. Nixon stated that no more troops were being sent to Vietnam. I thought, that's funny, were getting ready to send guys there now, and I'm going to be one of them. I never went though, I was med-evac'd back to the states. If memory serves me correctly it was the LSU 1/9 around August or September 1973. The Marine Corps was slow about moving things, they're reasing being they might be able to use it. Since everything we had was old junk handed down to us from the Army, I failed to see the reasoning. Any one who was there probably remembers the field covered with pneumatic mattresses, in new condition, dry rotted in the sun. There must have been 10,000 of them. I suffer as well. I thought maybe it was age creeping up on me, but I have aged more than my older brothers and sisters. I have TypeII diabetes, neuropathy, high blood, high cholesterol, I have spots on my lungs and my back kills me. I could probably deal with this as just the way things are "meant to be", but the American people and the government of the United States promised myself and all veterans decent health care. If it were not promised, it would not be expected. Sometimes I am angry, but mostly depressed. I guess that now, we are the enemy.

Agent Orange: BVA rules
presumptive exposure on Okinawa
during Vietnam!

http://www.va.gov/vetapp98/files1/9800877.txt

The ruling cited here was rendered in 1998, and was so well buried in a government attempt to hide it, that an eight month long web crawler search was required to ferret it out.

For those who have been searching for evidence and VA disability claims support for AO exposure elsewhere than Vietnam, check this out:

BVA presumptive AO exposure on Okinawa, 1970’s
Citation NR: 9800877
Decision Date: 01/13/98 Archive Date: 01/21/98
DOCKET NO. 97-05 078 )

Now, thanks to the diligent Veteran in this case, AO exposure in areas other than Vietnam is ruled presumptive and service connected via proof of assignment, proof of AO in the area, and symptoms arising anytime in the claiming Veterans life!

For those who served on Okinawa, show symptoms, and have been denied - try again bros and sisters - and this time cite this ruling in support of your claim.

If you need a link to the actual decision, or an emailed copy of it, email the UVI webmaster at [email protected] or link to VERPA and ask for it there.

Anyone who reads this, it would be nice if you would pass it on by posting it anywhere and everywhere you can. Too many of us are over looked. The fight aint over! Thanks.

My father was a Vietnam Agent Orange veteran. He's dead now, having passed on Veteran's Day 2005. He had such a horrible last 15 years, it was just awful to see him go the way he did, especially knowing how veteran-service oriented he was. We were always doing stuff for veterans when I was a kid. He was in the American Legion (was actually our state's vice commander for a while as well as post commander for a long time too) and in the 40/8. I swear his medical records could fill a house.

Anyways, I have endometriosis (4 surgeries to-date). I am the only person on either side of the family to have ever had it diagnosed. I still suffer quite horribly even after the 4 surgeries. My youger brother is also quite ill.

Above is my daughter's journal of health issues -her Dad was diagnosed with Juvenile diabetes - insulin dependent at age 29 and 2 months later suffered his first heart attack at which time he was unceremoniously discharged from the Navy after making it his career and serving 13 years - matter of fact, I was in a naval hospital pregnant with blood clots in my leg and was asked to leave on his discharge date. It took 7 years but the American Legion's service officer did get an acknowledged VA disability - service connected. As years went by additional health issues accured - most listed on this site - bone tumors, cervical disc fussions, shoulder reconstruction, PTSD, depression - pulminary disorders, Parkinson's and eventual kidney failure and dialysis just to mention a few - the VA did have him coded as Agent Orange exposed - Late in his life he always said that most Vietnam Vets could get that acknowledgment and benefit if they served overseas in direct or indirect contact with Agent Orange.
My advise to all -
Go to either the American Legion or DAV service officer in your area - tell them your story then file a claim, wait and if denied, file another and another - keep copies of all medical records -
Perhaps some day our daughter and son will get some justice - she has her constant battles and he endures all the challenges of being an insulin-dependent diabetic for going on 10 years. Their tragic and pain-filled middle-life journey is only beginning.
God Bless you all -

Yeah, my dad has recently been in contact with his some of his CAP unit buddies and discovered that one has prostate cancer among other things and another has a list of health issues, both are 100% disabled. Another buddy of his has a bunch of stuff wrong with him, but he refuses to get any help. Hopefully he will rethink it before its too late. I spent four days with my parents last week and watched my dad cry as he tried to fill out the ridiculous paperwork the VA makes you fill out to claim the disability. They expect him to relive the horrible experiences that led to his PTSD in graphic detail on this sheet of paper! Anyone who has really talked with their dads about what went on in Vietnam and the things they saw probably has a new found compassion for him as a man. I know I do.

I thought this group might be useful to some of the people posting here:
Second Voice-Organization For Children Of Vietnam Veterans

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/second_voice/

Second Voice-Organization For Children Of Vietnam Veterans is an organization started by the child of a Vietnam Veteran. The site will collaborate information, contacts, studies and support to help in understanding the disease of the men who came home and suffered many illnesses Caused by Agent Orange and that are still being denied by our Government and Military. This site will also help in finding a resolution to getting the childrens diseases recognized by the Government and military and get them treated so them nor their fathers, uncles, friends,brothers need to suffer and be ignored anymore. The mission is to fight together and not let us or the men that fought be swept under the rug but to show there is a second voice that loves and cares for them. This group also focuses on the current events of the Iraq war, with articles, studies being done, etc.
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How about a little truth on agent orange which was orginally called orange because of the orange stripe on the container drums. In addition to orange there were white, blue, purple, pink and green. So called agent orange was not orange as many suppose but white. Eleven million gallons were sprayed on the South Vietnam landscape and not 20 million during a ten year period. Operation Ranch Hand as the opration was called, sprayed at a rate of three gallons per acre which is the equivalaent of .0009 of an ounce per square foot, or nine-thousandths of a whiskey glass shot. Less than 6% of the herbicide released ever reached the ground. Spray tests showed that 70% of the herbicide settled and remained on the upper branches and leaves of the trees. Most of the of the agent orange used in Vietnam containted a scant 0.0002 of 1% of dioxin and scientific researh has shown that dioxin degrades in sunlight after 48 to 72 hours; therefore, troop and civilian exposure was infinitesimal. This is just another myth of many about Vietnam and our involvement in that war. There is absolutely no scientific proof or studies that our troops, their children, or the civilian population suffered physically due to agent orange exposure.

i was stationed at anderson afb from 1979-1980 aircraft maint specialist exposed to agent orange which was in and around bombay area

MY EX-HUSBAND WAS IN VIETNAM DURING THE BIG SPRAY. WE HAD 2 SONS. THE FIRST SON DEVELOPED DIABETES JUST BEFORE AGE 6, JUVENILLE DIABETES. HE ALSO HAD TESTICULAR CANCER AT AGE 21. HE HAS A DAUGHTER WHO ALSO DEVELOPED DIABETES BEFORE AGE 6. NO ONE ELSE IN OUR IMEDIATE FAMILY HAD DIABETES. OUR SECOND SON HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY HYPER, NOW CALLED ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER. HE HAS EXTREME MOOD SWINGS, EXTREME HIGHS AND SOMETIMES VERY LOW SELF ESTEME. HE HAS PANIC ATTICS. YET HE IS VERY BRIGHT, OVER ACHIEVER,EVEN THOUGH IT IS A STRUGGLE AS ARE RELATIONSHIPS. IT HAS NOW BEEN DISCOVERED THAT HE HAS WHAT IS A "BENIGN BRAIN CYST". I AM NOT SURE OF THE LOCATION OF THE BRAIN IT IS IN BUT I WONDERED IF THIS CYST COULD BE CAUSING SOME OF HIS OTHER PROBLEMS. I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THIS IS COINCIDENCE.....THEIR DAD IS TRYING TO DO SOME RESEARCH, SINCE HE HAS HAD SOME LARGE TUMORS(NOT SURE OF NAME) FROM HIS NECK AND BACK, ABOUT AS LARGE AS A PLUM. CAN YOU SUGGEST A GOOD PLACE FOR INFORMATION OR HELP, ETC. MY OLDEST SON IS 33 YR WITH NO INSURANCE AND THE YOUNGEST IS 30 YR. THEIR DAD IS 59 YR. I WILL APPRECIATE ANY HELP OR SUGGESTIONS. THANKS.

This is in regards to the post on 4/12/07 by Dalton Taylor. He wants to speak to the truth but goes on to quote the socalled truths of the 1970s,80, and into the early 90's.
The rainbows herbs had varying levels of 2,3,7,8,TCDD dioxin, except for blue and white. It depended on how they were manufactured as to how much dioxin was in the 2,4,5,T which is a component of Agent Orange, purple, pink, green, Super Orange. The other half of orange was 2,4,D. White has dioxins in it as well but I don't believe there is any TCDD.
These herbs were used all over by the military. The strength the military used was anywhere from at least 3 to 25 times the recommended use on the label. Reports are coming out now that have it at 100 times the amount recommended.
The Ranch Hand Study has proven to be false. The groups studied were all exposed to the herbs, such as the the studies of In-country versus support troops, bluewater vets. Actually the navy vets are sicker and the reason is dioxin and the many contaminants they were exposed to 24/7 on the ships off Viet Nam. Health studies done by the corporations have been found to be bogus.
There aren't any health studies being done on 2,4,D and the 2,4,5,T or the other 42 pesticides used by the military during Viet Nam.
The dioxin reassessment done by the EPA has taken the spin and lies out of dioxin. It is one of the most toxic manmade substances ever created. The EPA has determined there is no safe level of dioxin.
The breakdown points, pointed out by Daltry are those for ideal conditions for these herbs. They need sun to break down. Dioxin binds to soils and runs off into streams and aquifers. Dioxin voltalizes in heat and will reenter the atmosphere in this way. Naplam comes to mind.
One thing the military did and this was for all bases in the Pacific is spray both insecticidess like DDT and various different herbs like AO. The military knew that insecticides and herbicides became synergistic when mixed making a far more toxic brew. You're not suppose to mix, store or use these substances together.
Much of the contamination military personnel were exposed too came from their base camps. These bases were repeatedly sprayed with both insecticides and herbicides. Much of this ran off into streams and in turn this is where the water buffalos filled up for the camp drinking water. Heating the water would create more dioxin.

For all the people who were contaminated on Guam. Contact me at [email protected]
I have a CD on most of the contamination.
If you go to the bluewaternavy.org site there is quite a bit of info about the contamination to Guam. A professor at the Univ. Of Guam is blowing the whistle to all the contamination and the health effects of this contamination. Everything he has to say is at the bluewaternavy.org site.

My father was in Vietnam in 1968-1969 in II Corp right near the Cambodia border with the Army. My sister was a still born, my brother and myself were told by doctors to be aborted but my parents wouldn't agree to it; we were both very premature, my brother had 4 ear infections and underdeveloped lungs, I had heart problems and still have an irregular heart beat and I wasn't able to gain weight like a normal baby. I also have a serious case of ADHD. I would like to know more about others who have ADD or ADHD, many Vietnam Vets who where exposed to Agent Orange have children who have ADD or ADHD. The government will LIE LIE LIE about this, and what they did to all of us, as they continue to wash their hands with blood!

Looking for the letter of acknoledgement from the Base Commander of Udorn RTAFB when 500 Drums were uncovered at the end of the runway when the landing area was increased after 1968

This is in reply to a post by Richard Spinale posted 3/06/06. I ran upon this site and noticed the post. My daughter was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. I am a VV, 196th Infantry, and according to the defoliated areas map, was all over these areas. Would like to contribute any way I can or be involved.

Rawhide

Attn Richard Spinale of 03/06/06 question about AO exposure and Thyroid problems. Myself and several of my RVN Army unit friends who were stationed near Tan Son Nhut AFB, Saigon have had Thyroid problems, I recently attended a reunion in Washington DC for my outfit and found this info out. I also found out that the location for the preparation of the chemical for deployment was nearby my quarters for the two years I was there. Contact me at [email protected] with AO/Thyroid data.

Sorry, make that last info about AO/Thyroid for Greta King dated May 8, 2006 or whom ever else needs it.

My father was in the Navy, transporting Agent Orange to Vietnam. He says his boots would be bleached white in one day.

He has diabetes. I have endometriosis. My sister survived childhood Leukemia. I know this post is years old, but I thought I'd add another "me too".

I think it's useless to try to get the government to give a sh*t at this point, but if there's something that can be done to help other Daughters, count me in.

My husband was in Vietnam from Dec 1968 to July 1969. He developed Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia in 1995 and was gone in eight weeks. I have made several claims with the Veteran's Affairs, but so far have been denied every one. I believe he developed that cancer due to being in Vietnam and hope they will do enough studies some day that will prove that. If anyone has any documentation that the Dioxin in Agent Orange is a cause for this type of cancer, please let me know as soon as possible.

My husband was in Vietnam from Dec 1968 to July 1969. He developed Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia in 1995 and was gone in eight weeks. I have made several claims with the Veteran's Affairs, but so far have been denied every one. I believe he developed that cancer due to being in Vietnam and hope they will do enough studies some day that will prove that. If anyone has any documentation that the Dioxin in Agent Orange is a cause for this type of cancer, please let me know as soon as possible.

I was stationed in Vietnam from 1968 to 1971 I was assigned to then 34th ENG in Phuloi. In 1992 I was admitted into the Big Spring V A hospital with low pulse rate it was down to 45 per minute and now I have a pace maker. I'm thinling that this was a result of agent Orange. Please help me with this problem.

I was stationed in Vietnam from 1968 to 1971 I was assigned to then 34th ENG in Phuloi Vietnam. In 1992 I was admitted into the Big Spring V A hospital with low pulse rate it was down to 45 per minute and now I have a pace maker. I'm thinling that this was a result of agent Orange. Please help me with this problem.

I was atationed at Udorn in '73&'74, worked at the Papa Alert Facility for 9 months.Had prostate cancer in 2000, and diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes today (July 27,2007). I would also like to get a copy of the letter of acknoledgement from the Base Commander of Udorn RTAFB when 500 Drums were uncovered at the end of the runway when the landing area was increased after 1968, and any other documentation that might be available.


I was station at Ft Eustis Va. 1961-1962 and Camp Drum New York 1959. The VA just turn me down for agent orange I saw the 55 gal drums but they told me it was nevr shipped on the east coast.

Please send any info I have CLL from agent orange.

Thank You

8-20-07 I, ROBERT SILVAS HAVE UNCOVERD DOJ EVIDENCE US.v ZIMMERMAN 90 38-B-MI IN THE US DISTRICT COURT (M.D. LOUISIANA)WHERE PROSECUTION OF PEOPLE TRANS-PORTING AND STORING ILLEGALY 2,4-D 2,4,5-T OF MILITARY GRADE AGENT ORANGE. THE DRMO/DPDO/DRMS MILITARY SURPLUS RUN BY THE STATES IN TEXAS WERE SHIPING TO EVERY OTHER SURPLUS SITE IN THE U.S AND WAS SOLD TO SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS STATE HIGHWAYS DEPT., AND AGRICULTER DEPT,. I WILL DO WHAT ANY ONE WITH A CONCIOUS WOULD DO AND FIGHTING A HECK OF A FIGHT. VISIT AGENTORAGNETEXAS.ORG OR REACH ME AT 210-340-0980 OR [email protected] FOR ANY RELATED INFO TO FORWARD TO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND GET THEM INVOVED. tHIS IS A CIVIILAN ISSUSE AS WELL AS A VETRAN PROBLEM.

Looking for Anyone stationed at U-Tapao Thailand 69-70. My Brother in law just passed from Non Hodgkins Lymphoma. Looking for anyone with the 307 MMS. I need some Agent Orange information.

Thanks
Tom

Re: David Hicks entry on the 500 drums of AO at Udorn, RTAFB. Has anyone got information on this? I also have T2 Diabetes.

Thanking you in advance,

Bruce

i happened to come upon this site by trying to do some research. i was recently informed by my estranged father that he has stage 4 lung cancer, brain cancer, type 2 diabetes, and several other problems. i know some of his problems have come from the agent orange. he served in vietnam from 1965-1971. he has suggested that i need to try to get tested because of it. what i need to know is how can it affect me. i don't know where to even start research. they only give him 6 months to live and i want him to know that i am okay. if there is anyone that can help me please do so.i hope someone can steer me in the right direction.

i happened to come upon this site by trying to do some research. i was recently informed by my estranged father that he has stage 4 lung cancer, brain cancer, type 2 diabetes, and several other problems. i know some of his problems have come from the agent orange. he served in vietnam from 1965-1971. he has suggested that i need to try to get tested because of it. what i need to know is how can it affect me. i don't know where to even start research. they only give him 6 months to live and i want him to know that i am okay. if there is anyone that can help me please do so.i hope someone can steer me in the right direction.

Looking for other Seabees who worked with me. I got diabetes II since 1993, since then heartattack, 2 bypass, my kidneys are failing me, and high blood pressure to boot.

Remember the spraying when we were asked to stay away for awhile then 30 minutes later we resumed work.

my telephone number is 36-907-3833

Frank B. Sayama, Seabee w/ MCB3 coming from Port Hueneme to Guam Andersen Air Force Base, 1971

Looking for other Seabees who worked with me. I got diabetes II since 1993, since then heartattack, 2 bypass, my kidneys are failing me, and high blood pressure to boot.

Remember the spraying when we were asked to stay away for awhile then 30 minutes later we resumed work.

my telephone number is 36-907-3833

TRYING TO FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION FOR A FELLOW DECEASED NAM VET'S WIFE ABOUT HER DAUGHTER. SHE HAVE ADHD AND MANY OTHER TYPE OF ILLNESS WE THINK IS RELATED TO AO. THE VA IS NOT OFFERING ANY ASSISTANCE TO HER AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT A STILL MATE. ANYONE HAVE ANY HELP. NAM VET (MACV TEAM 101)

I was stationed in Bien Hoa Vietnam from 1969-1970 and at Ansersen AFB, Guam from 1970-1977. I need someone out there who have specific proof that AO was spilled/buried at the flight-line or anywhere else at AAFB. Lots of civilians worked at AAFB during that time and many of them have died from diabites, heart failure, and other ailments assoc. with AO. Many still living have had open heart surgeries and other ailments assoc. with AO. You may write to me at: Bill Cundiff, P.O. Box 7117, Agat, Guam 96928. BYW, there is a measure in congress right now to compensate those civilian federal employees exposed to AO, I believe it's H.R. 972. Thanks and best wishes to all veterans and their families...happy holidays.

Mr. David Starr,

Please contact me at 671-565-4561. Thanks.

Bill Cundiff

I SERVED WITH MCB 1 OKINAWA 1974 1975 I NOW HAVE LUMPHOMA, VA SAYS NOT RELATED TO AGENT ORANGE, ANY BODY HAVE ANY INFORMATION?

For everyone looking for answers about their exposures to AO and many other toxics on Guam, go to the bluewaternavy.org site. A scientist and professor at the Univ. of Guam has comne forward and blown the whistle to all the contamination on Guam.
The head of the Veteran Affairs Committee is looking into the use of AO and the other contamination.
Yes AO has been proven to be on the island of Guam. The government has admitted to it.
Two cases have been won for AO exposure on Guam.

My husband's father served in Okinawa in 1960-1962 and was also an "advisor" in Lamos and Cambodia during that time period. He is not considered to be "in country" we are waiting a determination from the VA regarding my husband's spina bifida. Also, his father, the veteran, has type II diabetitis, has had several heart problems and bi-passess. I am looking for anyone with information during that time period. His father has informed the VA and us, about the white barrels with organe strips, where is was flown into, where it was stored in okinawa...Anyone with information, please email me. I understand the VA will not accept any prior case references during the approval or appeal process...Please HELP.

I was in C company in machinato from 1970 to 1972.

I was with 2nd Log; worked at Naha port and also at the Army depot in machinato, Okinawa. I know for a fact that I handled AO, because I re-package busted shipments of meterals to vietnam. I remembered rolling damaged barrels and sacks onto pallets. I have had major surgeries to remove tumors that doctors can explain where they come from. I have them all over my body. On my way to westwood va this week. I was told not to go to the va at loma linda because they give you the run around. I'm 57; looking to here from Gene Wright and Tony moschella. Get in touch with me people. We got to fight this!!!

Marines 1974-78 aboard the USS Denver for Operation Eagle Pull off vietnam did not set foot. Was in Okinawa 1975-76. Lung cancer(lobe removed) diabetes, chronic bronchitis, copd, asthma and GERD. Need information or letters from other veterans stating that they witness, handle, the 55 gallon drums that was still stored at the different Camps on Okinawa. Important infor needed to support my claim for exposure. Post from Andrea Goins,JD Burns, and others on Okinawa please contact.

My name is George Collins and I was tdy from Westover AFB to Utapao AFB in 67-68, and pcs to Utapao AFB for 2 one year tours 68-70, for a total of two and a half years. I was an aircraft electrician there in the 4258th FMS and spent about 8 months in 68-69 assigned to AGE as their electrician, to rewire MD3 ground power units, and repair agent orange spray equipment on the back of pickup trucks, that sprayed the base grounds. In 1967 I remember repairing wiring on a C-130 aircraft and getting my uniform pant leg wet and the next day having a painful blister rash on my leg. I went to the base hospital to get this chemical burn treated with a cream medication. That blistering came back many times until about 1992. Currently I am suffering with Follicular Non-Hodgekins Lymphoma and being treated by the VA. I applied for service connected disability compensation from the VA and was denied. The VA refuses to recognize Utapao AFB as an agent orange site. I need help or proof of that. What have you found out ? I look forward to your reply. George Collins

Stationed on Okinawa in 1960,(0311/31) Camp Schwab &
NTA. Also deployed to several other countries. Only combat troops in Pacific at time. Afloat often. Saw internet posting where 8 guys stationed near me at same time on "the Rock" won litigation regarding exposure to Agent Orange. Had hypertension in my 20's, bypass surgery in 2001. Diagnosed with prostate cancer 4 yrs ago. I've heard, but have not confirmed, that I'm 9th guy in my unit to get early prostate cancer. Also internal bleeding with no source doctors can find. Blood pressure drops to 60 after bleeding. After internet post VA called me (1st time ever -I've always had to call them) lots of other guys also called in-all grunts - they tried to coerce us into picking one of several surgical procedures immediately - I wouldnt-they called me for days- later learned that accepting their surgery weakens potential Agent Orange lawsuits.

I was stationed on Anderson AFB, Guam, Marianas Islands from 1968 to 1978. I was tdy from 68 to 69 with the 99th Bomb Wing and PCS 1969 to 1971 and 1976to 1978 Tyhpoon Pamela. I worked in the 43rd Supply Squadron Fuels Division, Andy I and Andy II, Potts Tank Farm, Tumon Tank Farm in Tamuning, the Cross Country Pipleline from Anderson AFB to NAS Agana Fuel Booster Pump STation to the Naval Fuel Supply Depot, US Naval Base, Agana Guam. I was the NCOIC of the Off base storage and pipeline systems from 1976 to 1978. I was the NCOIC of Andy I and Andy II and Potts tank farms in 1969-1971. I personally prepared, mixed and sprayed Agent Orange, Agent White and other defoliants on all the areas mentioned and the entire cross country pipeline, security fences surrounding the tank farms, fuel dike areas, fuel pits on the flightlines at Anderson AFB, fuel hydrant pumping stations and fuel hydrant pits. I also sprayed it in Yigo, Guam at the Quonsett huts used for packaged engine turbine oils for the B52's, KC135's, etc and also sprayed the fuel drum storge areas at the main entrance to anderson afb guam on the right side of the roadway leading into the base past the fuel tank farms. I have arterial scleroisis, heart disease TRIPLE BYPASS EMERGENCY OPEN HEART SURGERY RUPTURED ARTERIES, BRITTLE ARTERIES THAT ARE LIKE SOMEONE 100 YEARS OLD, high blood pressure, thyroid cancer, severe edema, SEVERE STENOSIS OF THE ENTIRE SPINE, SPONDIOLYSIS, brittle bones...fractures of the hip and pelvis, severe chloracne with pictures of it at the anderson afb airmans club showing my face broken out all over with it. I mixed this nasty stuff by order of those incharge and wore rubber gloves, pull down face shield, rubber apron, etc but it did not stop it from blowing back into my face. I was covered with the white chalky substance after spraying all day. I mixed it in a 750 gallon trailer pulled by a 5ton tractor truck. I have airman performance reports which state "vegetation control". I can be reached at [email protected] or [email protected] I have written several letters to the House armed services committee, senate armed services committee, senator clinton, senator mccain and president george bush. I have written to as many leaders as I can to tell them of the injustices here. My daughter is also sick which must stem from this exposure. TO ALL THAT I MAY HELP BEFORE I AM GONE. MSGT ROY FOSTER, USAF, RETIRED

Dad was in Ben Thiuy, Vietnam 1969-70 near Cambodian border. All I can say is he doesn't seem to have affects, but I as well as my child have ADHD, pretty severe. I have been reading as to pesticides, etc. and finally connected the Agent Orange thought yesterday. I don't expect much from government, but what about ya'll? Is there an ADHD link to Agent Orrange gneticaly passed to children, etc?

Me again. I want to add that I have some wierd skin things that might apply along with the ADHD. Dad has these fibrous tumors too. I have oily skin & a nevus sebaceous. My child has asthma/allergies along with the ADHD. Now I've seen that that area & time in Vietnam was one of the big spray years and also near Can Tho. Wish we all could sue class action somehow, but that might be wishful thinking. I can't believe it was more like a rainbow spray and not just orange. :( My soul is crying after reading all your posts. I just don't have the heart to tell my dad. You see, I was conceived the month he came back so I guess I'm probably affected huh? Born 9 months later. God Bless you all. If I can help anybody through research (I am good with words, not science), email me at [email protected]

I'm looking for any information/proof for a fellow veteran about agent orange at Anderson and Utapao Airforce bases. He was stationed between them from 72 to 76. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You, SFC Steven R Merrill (USA RET) [email protected]

My husband was stationed at Udorn 74/75, he died from a primary brain cancer in 2006. He filed with the VA for skin rash and feet problem when he retired, and was turned down they claimed not service related. From what I have learned they sprayed Agent Orange at Udorn, but unless he put boots down on the ground in Vietnam it doesn't count. He worked crash recovery with the F4's.

I have received the info from Hatfield in Vancouver on the current dioxins still in Vietnam. I'll be happy to look up anything for anybody, if I can find it. Can Tho was a bad place and basically any base that was a Ranch Hand Area of deployment or an area sprayed. Da Nang, Ben Hoa, Ba Ra, Na Trang, Phan Rang, Tuy Hoa, Phu Cat, Chu Lai, Dak To, and Pleiku. Also, it just stays there for years. You don't have to be spayed overhead, etc. It stays in the body about 7 years as well. Also, the bases themselves were defoliated. And, lets not forget what I read about the fuel placed in the cans and making an aerosol spray. I wrote the Senator from Mississippi. I'll write as I have time to others. AO can cause cancer, immune disorders, neurological, skin, etc. according to the scientists.

Looks like if you are a Vet in Vietnam, you are exposed. VA says they don't even need proof of exposure so to speak (I'm wondering about this one), but their agent orange helpline is pretty much useless, in my experience. I just got sent to a full mailbox and hung up on. I did try 2 times. Now I know what all the vets are going through. It made me sick to see the HERBS pages on Alvin Young Library Collection site. 500 pages of airplane and that many more of helicopter/truck. It is a code and every province is a number, but it can be read by looking at the maps, etc. and the key.

If I can help with the info, just mail to [email protected]

Maybe there is some power in the information.

Thailand was sprayed. I figure any place needing defoliation and military was sprayed with it in those years. Plus, it probably got stolen, etc. and taken most anyplace by anybody if there was anyone interested with access. I'm just speculating though. And, they sprayed in this country with it some.

I was stationed on Guam 64-66 and was assigned to the bomb detail when SAC first sent the B52's for eventually bombing in Vietnam. Anyone with same detail please contact me immediately. Having all kinds of problems and I will share my findings with those needing my input. Needless to say, the VA has determined that eventually we will all die and they won't have to pay up for our problems. I'm 70 y/o and need help badly. Every thing and illnesses shown on these pages fit me. Call me and give me your help: 740-603-7915. If you are a member of the AMVETS and have received a letter from them saying they agree with the VA denying your claim I really need to hear from you. Today is 2 May 2008. So anyone you know that was involved in putting bombs together when the B52's arrived and you braved the "skeeters" and flies in the bomb dumps and flight line during these great times and experiences - joke of course - please contact me. Thanks again, Carl

Greetings fellow Vets. I previously posted on May 3, 2008 and this is a follow-up regarding my comments about the AMVETS. My claim was handled by a very competent AMVETS service officer. When the claims were received by the VA they denied my problems were from exposure to AO, which includes Diabetes Mellitus Tpe 2, a heart murmur that came on during my service time, prior to assignment to Guam, and TDY to other locations.

I also have major problems with my spin, arms and legs, which are constantly given me pain. The VA doctors have made all types of things that says my spin falling apart is evidently just old age.

After the VA denied my claim, they also notified the AMVETS that my claim was denied. When I received a letter from the AMVETS National Service Officer saying that the AMVETS AGREED WITH THE VA DECISION. For the past few years I tried to get a reason for such a letter and comment being made by the AMVETS. Finally I got a reply, and it simply said, AMVETS National told all National Service Officers to write such a letter.

When I asked why they would write a letter agreeing with the VA, I was told by those in a high position that was the AMVETS position and by saying they agree they can then file an appeal. HUH??? So now it would seem that my local AMVETS officer who is trying to get me compensation is over ruled by those above him.

I'm asking any and all Vets who have the same problem with this matter by the AMVETS agreeing with the VA to contact me. I'm a true member of the AMVETS and a life member. Three of my brothers were Vets - my oldest brother had was WWII B17 crew member, and spent a total of 32 years in the USAF - another brother was in the Navy at the close of WWII - and another brother served as a medic during Korea, but was stationed state-side. My father was a WWI Vet and gassed. He never had the problems I have had with the VA. So if my info can assist you, and anything you have that can assist me I would love to have your input.

Thanks to all those fellow Veterans who are suffering, or simply escaped the problems some of us have, but to all those now serving and have served, I send you a salute.

Anything you have on Agent Orange on Guam and can help me I would appreciate your data, including photos.

Greetings fellow Vets. I previously posted on May 3, 2008 and this is a follow-up regarding my comments about the AMVETS. My claim was handled by a very competent AMVETS service officer. When the claims were received by the VA they denied my problems were from exposure to AO, which includes Diabetes Mellitus Tpe 2, a heart murmur that came on during my service time, prior to assignment to Guam, and TDY to other locations.

I also have major problems with my spin, arms and legs, which are constantly given me pain. The VA doctors have made all types of things that says my spin falling apart is evidently just old age.

After the VA denied my claim, they also notified the AMVETS that my claim was denied. When I received a letter from the AMVETS National Service Officer saying that the AMVETS AGREED WITH THE VA DECISION. For the past few years I tried to get a reason for such a letter and comment being made by the AMVETS. Finally I got a reply, and it simply said, AMVETS National told all National Service Officers to write such a letter.

When I asked why they would write a letter agreeing with the VA, I was told by those in a high position that was the AMVETS position and by saying they agree they can then file an appeal. HUH??? So now it would seem that my local AMVETS officer who is trying to get me compensation is over ruled by those above him.

I'm asking any and all Vets who have the same problem with this matter by the AMVETS agreeing with the VA to contact me. I'm a true member of the AMVETS and a life member. Three of my brothers were Vets - my oldest brother had was WWII B17 crew member, and spent a total of 32 years in the USAF - another brother was in the Navy at the close of WWII - and another brother served as a medic during Korea, but was stationed state-side. My father was a WWI Vet and gassed. He never had the problems I have had with the VA. So if my info can assist you, and anything you have that can assist me I would love to have your input.

Thanks to all those fellow Veterans who are suffering, or simply escaped the problems some of us have, but to all those now serving and have served, I send you a salute.

Anything you have on Agent Orange on Guam and can help me I would appreciate your data, including photos.

This supersedes my posting of May 4,2008 which had errors in it and was the draft copy instead. I’ve updated this to include the latest letter and action by and from the AMVETS.
Greetings fellow Vets. I previously posted on May 3, 2008 and this is a follow-up regarding my comments about the AMVETS. My claim was handled by a very competent Ohio AMVETS service officer. When the claims were received by the VA they denied my problems were from exposure to AO, which includes Diabetes Mellitus Type 2, a heart murmur that came on during my service time, prior to assignment to Guam, and TDY to other locations.
I also have major problems with my spin, arms and legs, which are constantly given me pain. The VA doctors have made comments about all types of things that they say is the basis my spine ia falling apart. I must ask, will they next say it is evidently just from old age although it started before I had any knowledge of agent orange.
After the VA denied my claim, they also notified the AMVETS that my claim was denied. I received a letter from the AMVETS National Service Officer in Cleveland, Ohio saying the AMVETS AGREED WITH THE VA DECISION. For the past few years I tried to get a reason for such a letter and comment being made by the AMVETS that they agree with the VA. No reson was given until I finally received a reply, and it simply said, AMVETS National told all National Service Officers to write such a letter.
When I asked why they would write a letter agreeing with the VA, I was told by those in a high position that this was the AMVETS position . One National individual stated to me that they agree so they can then file an appeal. HUH??? So now it would seem that my local Ohio AMVETS officer who is trying to get me compensation is over ruled by those above him. In fact one individual who is not associated with the AMVETS told me that if I complained to the AMVETS about this matter, the veterans organization that I’m a life member of would drop me.
Guess what; under date of May 1, 2008 and received by me on May 5, 2008 I received a letter from the same AMVETS National Service Officer who sent me letters saying he agreed with the VA, sent me a letter terminating their acting on my behalf. Now what is this saying? Use your own judgement.
I'm asking any -all Vets who have the same problem with this matter by the AMVETS agreeing with the VA to contact me. I'm a true and proud member of the AMVETS and a life member, but now I‘m wondering about those who of us whose membership pays their salary is now “throwing me to the wind“ as the VA is doing.. Three of my brothers were Vets - my oldest brother was a WWII B17 crew member, and spent a total of 32 years in the AAC and USAF - another brother was in the Navy at the close of WWII - and another brother served as a medic during Korea, but was stationed state-side. My father was a WWI Vet and gassed. He never had the problems I have had with the VA. So if my info can assist you, and anything you have that can assist me I’d love to have your input.
Thanks to all those fellow Veterans who are suffering, or simply escaped the problems some of us have, but to all those now serving or have served, I send you a salute.
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